[Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 4 Rob

Wed Jun 4 16:25:52 UTC 2014

Rob, I'm sending prayers for answers to your medical questions and healing.  Donna

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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Daily Thought for Tuesday, June 3, 2014 (Paul via Faith-talk)
>   2. Re: Christianity and Gnosticism (Poppa Bear via Faith-talk)
>   3. Re: Christianity and Gnosticism (via Faith-talk)
>   4. medical update (Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk)
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:24:48 -0400
> From: Paul via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: <roomforyourbeliefs at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, June 3, 2014
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> Hello and greetings to you once again on this Tuesday for most of you as this is being written.  I hope that, by God's matchless grace and His providential care, that you are all doing well today.
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> Some years ago Frana Hamilton wrote an article that I'd like to share with you today.  Again, this was one of last year's submissions, but there are some who haven't read it yet, so for them here it is for the first time.  It is entitled "Some Myths About Happiness" and is rendered as follows:
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> Myth 1:  My purpose in life is to be happy.  If I am happy, I will feel I have been successful.
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> That does not square with Scripture.  Revelation 4:11 tells us, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power:  for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created."
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> God created us for His pleasure and glory, not ours.
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> Myth 2:  I can never be happy if I "miss" the will of God for my life.  Wait a minute.  That sounds like I am missing a bus.  God knows that I am not perfect and that I make mistakes and do some stupid things, but the moment I acknowledge my wrong decision, the heavenly Father stands ready to forgive and to welcome me back into fellowship and into His will.  He does let me bear the consequences of my decisions, though, and that helps me to learn from my mistakes.  If my heart is right, God will use me as He sees fit.
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> Myth 3:  Another myth that some people buy into is that God instituted marriage to make us happy.  It would be closer to the truth to say that God instituted marriage (which brings both joys and irritations) for my holiness and wholeness.
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> Myth 4:  A popular myth we hear and read a lot about is that if I have good self-esteem, I will be happy.
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> In Mark 12:31 Jesus taught that "thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself." This teaches that it is normal and natural and acceptable to love myself.  Loving and accepting myself as a person made in the image of God is certainly the core of self-esteem.  But that is not the whole story.  I must not neglect my neighbor.  I must love him as much as I love myself.
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> As a teacher I have met a lot of bullies who have high self-esteem, but they esteem themselves better than other people.  Yes, they have self-esteem, but that is not enough.  They need to esteem others as well.
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> Paul seems to speak to this in Philippians 2:3:  "In lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves." So esteeming myself is not enough to make me happy.
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> I have come to the conclusion that happiness is a by-products of walking in obedience to God.  As I trust and obey Him, loving others, and serving them, witnessing to them, I find that happiness just steals up on me and surprises me.
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> And there you have Sister Frana Hamilton's article for today, which, along with previous ones, I trust was a blessing to you.
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> Before I close this message today, here is the answer to Sunday's Bible trivia game.  It is Psalm 94.  Now, if you still have the poem in your files, I would suggest that you read Psalm 94 in your Bible in your preferred translation and method of reading and see if you don't come to the conclusion that Mr. Ford's poem perfectly harmonizes with what the poet wrote.
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> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe, individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live.  Lord willing, tomorrow there will be another Daily Thought message for you.  Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:34:18 -0800
> From: Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Devin Prater'" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk,    for the
>    discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christianity and Gnosticism
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> Hello Devin, welcome to the list. This is a good question. Let me ask you
> this, when you talk about the soul being eternal, are you saying that it is
> an either or definition? I mean, are you saying that the concept of the soul
> being eternal is either Gnostic based or Orthodox Christianity based? I
> believe that it is both myself. Now to the point of your question, are you
> asking if the soul is eternal then the resurrection is not necessary? Now to
> throw this possible answer out there if I am understanding you, the
> resurrection according to the Bible is what happens to believers who become
> children of God through a relationship with Jesus Christ, the resurrection
> for believers means that when we die in this body, we are then resurrected
> as new children who are  raised to a new life that is like the resurrected
> Christ who is considered the first born from death and the model of who we
> will be after the resurrection. Now, the resurrection also has to do with
> what believers will not only be, but what they will receive as a reward in
> heaven from God as the Bible talks about as well. For non believers, it is
> not a resurrection to new life in the presents of God as his children, but
> it is a judgment before God for rejecting Christ/s work on the cross, and
> breaking the laws of God that he has placed in all men's heart even if they
> have never heard the message of the Gospel. But in all of this, the soul is
> eternal and either dwells in the presence of God, or the judgment of those
> who have rejected Gods revelation about his plan of salvation.
> I have given you the Biblical perspective as briefly and clearly as I can
> and I hope it sheds a little light on your question.
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> Prater via Faith-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:06 AM
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] Christianity and Gnosticism
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> Hi all. I have, for months, been looking into Gnosticism. I have dismissed
> it, by comparing it with the words of the bible and comparison of the two
> religions. But, I have read that some points of orthodox Christianity was
> mixed with Gnostic thinking, like the soul being eternal after we die and
> therefore not making the rrssurection. What do you think about this. As any
> young person, I want to know the truth. 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:31:11 -0700
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> To: Devin Prater via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>,    Devin Prater
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christianity and Gnosticism
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> I think it's personal preference, but it's up to you if you want to believing this.
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>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Devin Prater via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all. I have, for months, been looking into Gnosticism. I have dismissed it, by comparing it with the words of the bible and comparison of the two religions. But, I have read that some points of orthodox Christianity was mixed with Gnostic thinking, like the soul being eternal after we die and therefore not making the rrssurection. What do you think about this. As any young person, I want to know the truth. 
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>> Sent from my iPod 5
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:25:15 -0700
> From: Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] medical update
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> Hello all: I went to two doctors earlier today. The first was the vascular specialist. An ultrasound was done. As I won?t have the final results until later this month, the initial result is that there is nothing going on with my vains (such as a blood clott.) I will see the vascular surgeon on June 30th as he will be out of town until then. 
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> The 2nd doctor was a back surgeon. This was suggested by two doctors as I don?t have feeling in my left leg down to my foot. Xrays were done on my back. They were negative. The back surgeon advised me not to go back to my neuro surgeon any more as he googled information on this doctor and found some things that were not real good. 
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> At this time, I have been advised to go to a pain management specilist for my pain. The doctor also said ?no more surgeries.? 
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> That is it for now. 
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