[Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 4 Rob
Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk
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Thanks.
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Rob, I'm sending prayers for answers to your medical questions and healing.
Donna
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> 1. Daily Thought for Tuesday, June 3, 2014 (Paul via Faith-talk)
> 2. Re: Christianity and Gnosticism (Poppa Bear via Faith-talk)
> 3. Re: Christianity and Gnosticism (via Faith-talk)
> 4. medical update (Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:24:48 -0400
> From: Paul via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: <roomforyourbeliefs at googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, June 3, 2014
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> Hello and greetings to you once again on this Tuesday for most of you as
> this is being written. I hope that, by God's matchless grace and His
> providential care, that you are all doing well today.
>
> Some years ago Frana Hamilton wrote an article that I'd like to share with
> you today. Again, this was one of last year's submissions, but there are
> some who haven't read it yet, so for them here it is for the first time.
> It is entitled "Some Myths About Happiness" and is rendered as follows:
>
> Myth 1: My purpose in life is to be happy. If I am happy, I will feel I
> have been successful.
>
> That does not square with Scripture. Revelation 4:11 tells us, "Thou art
> worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for Thou hast
> created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created."
>
> God created us for His pleasure and glory, not ours.
>
> Myth 2: I can never be happy if I "miss" the will of God for my life.
> Wait a minute. That sounds like I am missing a bus. God knows that I am
> not perfect and that I make mistakes and do some stupid things, but the
> moment I acknowledge my wrong decision, the heavenly Father stands ready
> to forgive and to welcome me back into fellowship and into His will. He
> does let me bear the consequences of my decisions, though, and that helps
> me to learn from my mistakes. If my heart is right, God will use me as He
> sees fit.
>
> Myth 3: Another myth that some people buy into is that God instituted
> marriage to make us happy. It would be closer to the truth to say that
> God instituted marriage (which brings both joys and irritations) for my
> holiness and wholeness.
>
> Myth 4: A popular myth we hear and read a lot about is that if I have
> good self-esteem, I will be happy.
>
> In Mark 12:31 Jesus taught that "thou shall love thy neighbour as
> thyself." This teaches that it is normal and natural and acceptable to
> love myself. Loving and accepting myself as a person made in the image of
> God is certainly the core of self-esteem. But that is not the whole
> story. I must not neglect my neighbor. I must love him as much as I love
> myself.
>
> As a teacher I have met a lot of bullies who have high self-esteem, but
> they esteem themselves better than other people. Yes, they have
> self-esteem, but that is not enough. They need to esteem others as well.
>
> Paul seems to speak to this in Philippians 2:3: "In lowliness of mind let
> each esteem others better than themselves." So esteeming myself is not
> enough to make me happy.
>
> I have come to the conclusion that happiness is a by-products of walking
> in obedience to God. As I trust and obey Him, loving others, and serving
> them, witnessing to them, I find that happiness just steals up on me and
> surprises me.
>
> And there you have Sister Frana Hamilton's article for today, which, along
> with previous ones, I trust was a blessing to you.
>
> Before I close this message today, here is the answer to Sunday's Bible
> trivia game. It is Psalm 94. Now, if you still have the poem in your
> files, I would suggest that you read Psalm 94 in your Bible in your
> preferred translation and method of reading and see if you don't come to
> the conclusion that Mr. Ford's poem perfectly harmonizes with what the
> poet wrote.
>
> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe,
> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live. Lord
> willing, tomorrow there will be another Daily Thought message for you.
> Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:34:18 -0800
> From: Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Devin Prater'" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Christianity and Gnosticism
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> Hello Devin, welcome to the list. This is a good question. Let me ask you
> this, when you talk about the soul being eternal, are you saying that it
> is
> an either or definition? I mean, are you saying that the concept of the
> soul
> being eternal is either Gnostic based or Orthodox Christianity based? I
> believe that it is both myself. Now to the point of your question, are you
> asking if the soul is eternal then the resurrection is not necessary? Now
> to
> throw this possible answer out there if I am understanding you, the
> resurrection according to the Bible is what happens to believers who
> become
> children of God through a relationship with Jesus Christ, the resurrection
> for believers means that when we die in this body, we are then resurrected
> as new children who are raised to a new life that is like the resurrected
> Christ who is considered the first born from death and the model of who we
> will be after the resurrection. Now, the resurrection also has to do with
> what believers will not only be, but what they will receive as a reward in
> heaven from God as the Bible talks about as well. For non believers, it is
> not a resurrection to new life in the presents of God as his children, but
> it is a judgment before God for rejecting Christ/s work on the cross, and
> breaking the laws of God that he has placed in all men's heart even if
> they
> have never heard the message of the Gospel. But in all of this, the soul
> is
> eternal and either dwells in the presence of God, or the judgment of those
> who have rejected Gods revelation about his plan of salvation.
> I have given you the Biblical perspective as briefly and clearly as I can
> and I hope it sheds a little light on your question.
>
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> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
> Prater via Faith-talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:06 AM
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] Christianity and Gnosticism
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> Hi all. I have, for months, been looking into Gnosticism. I have dismissed
> it, by comparing it with the words of the bible and comparison of the two
> religions. But, I have read that some points of orthodox Christianity was
> mixed with Gnostic thinking, like the soul being eternal after we die and
> therefore not making the rrssurection. What do you think about this. As
> any
> young person, I want to know the truth.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:31:11 -0700
> From: via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Devin Prater via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>, Devin Prater
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> I think it's personal preference, but it's up to you if you want to
> believing this.
>
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>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Devin Prater via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I have, for months, been looking into Gnosticism. I have
>> dismissed it, by comparing it with the words of the bible and comparison
>> of the two religions. But, I have read that some points of orthodox
>> Christianity was mixed with Gnostic thinking, like the soul being eternal
>> after we die and therefore not making the rrssurection. What do you think
>> about this. As any young person, I want to know the truth.
>>
>> Sent from my iPod 5
>>
>> keychat/google talk:
>> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>> primary email:
>> d.prater at me.com
>> facebook/iMessage:
>> devinprater at live.com
>>
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 20:25:15 -0700
> From: Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] medical update
> Message-ID: <FD0A840A8C7B40479BBC698774858491 at laura>
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> Hello all: I went to two doctors earlier today. The first was the vascular
> specialist. An ultrasound was done. As I won?t have the final results
> until later this month, the initial result is that there is nothing going
> on with my vains (such as a blood clott.) I will see the vascular surgeon
> on June 30th as he will be out of town until then.
>
> The 2nd doctor was a back surgeon. This was suggested by two doctors as I
> don?t have feeling in my left leg down to my foot. Xrays were done on my
> back. They were negative. The back surgeon advised me not to go back to my
> neuro surgeon any more as he googled information on this doctor and found
> some things that were not real good.
>
> At this time, I have been advised to go to a pain management specilist for
> my pain. The doctor also said ?no more surgeries.?
>
> That is it for now.
>
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