[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Thu May 15 17:00:21 UTC 2014

Hello Brandon, on one hand you are right to say that Christianity started
about 2000 years ago, but on the other hand, the plan of a redeemer who
would save all of humanity was established in the garden of Eden at the
beginning of creation according to the Bible, so her statement still can be
true. As far as people being condemned before Jesus was even born, the Bible
still teaches that everybody who was ever born will be judged according to
the law of God placed in their heart and we know this as a conscious, and
even, the Bible states that it is still only through the Grace of Christ
that salvation is possible according to his loving kindness and tender
mercies. As many think, this belief system isn't based on a teaching that is
forced upon us, it is based on an experience, an encounter with the Savior
of men that literally transforms our lives. When the writer of Amazing
grace, says, "I once was lost, but now I'm found, was blind, but now I see",
he was stating a miracle that happens in this thing called redemption,
salvation and being born again. It is as different as it would be if
somebody gave me twenty twenty vision right now, if that happen to me, the
proof of their power would be in that reality and that is what happens when
an encounter with Christ occurs, it is as life changing as that.

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Linda,

You wrote some interesting thoughts. However, you display a lack of
understanding of eastern traditions. Most eastern religions are in fact
older than Christianity, which itself is only 2,000 years old, not from the
beginning of creation as you said. Hinduism is at least 5 or 6 thousand
years old, Buddhism about 2,500 years old.

I find offensive not your beliefs, but your generalization that all eastern
religions were simply made up by those who didn't want to follow God, but
wanted to follow in their own way. This is what I find most offensive about
Christianity. Fortunately not all Christians believe in this way, and I
doubt even Jesus himself would condone this.

Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism were begun before Jesus even walked upon this
earth. So I ask you for a moment to use logic and tell me how they were
rejecting God? Buddhism, as an example, was started by a man who was tired
of the suffering he witnessed around him, and sought to end that suffering
within himself. Then he taught others how to end their own suffering, too.
Does this sound to you like the actions of a man who deserves to be burned
forever and ever without relief, simply because he could not travel in time
and know an individual who lived 500 years after he lived?

Here I empathize with the atheists and agnostics, because there exists a
book that tells you these things, which to an outside observer seems
horribly cruel and sadistic, but yet people believe them because they are
told to.

Brandon
On May 15, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me. The
Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
knowledge of the Triune God.
> 
> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour, and
still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on what they
did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
conversion is not real.
> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to live a
different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. When they
do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; and, if
necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask forgiveness of
that person. Many who think they are Christians will be surprised when they
meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell with Satan
and his demons.
> 
> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation. Those who
take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He offers,
will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with Him.
Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that long ago
by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do things
their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
> 
> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end, no matter
what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, where no relief
will be had.
> 
> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible says
concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the inspired Word
of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
> 
> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what I know
to be true in the Bible.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
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