[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Thu May 15 21:43:33 UTC 2014

Yes, this is exactly how I feel as well. As I said before, I think diversity is a great thing. I will never deny the freedom of a person to be whatever religion he likes. But it seems to me that some of the Christians on this list are publicly denouncing and condemning anyone who thinks differently, on a list that is for people of all faiths.

Thanks for your input. :)

Brandon
On May 15, 2014, at 5:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried to explain
> his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared by all
> faiths. The Christians have expressed their faith over and over,  slapped
> each other on the back and a mened ever sense I've been on this list.  Oh,
> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the exact same
> things you espouse.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Poppa
> Bear via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> religion'
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> 
> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far. There
> is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all nothing as he
> taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing. After the
> discussion when he went out and walked across a field a bull started to
> charge him and he started to run. One of the people at his talk yelled to
> him, "You don't need to run, the bull is really not there and pain is only
> in your mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the mind in my
> opinion, because once we step into the real world, we are faced with choices
> that we put our minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to
> the bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real, then
> you may think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it
> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and if it
> is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to separate
> your beliefs from your real life.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> 
> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many things, but
> not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If you don't, that's
> good reason to question your beliefs.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find 
>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning 
>>> everything I ask
> of
>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by the
> twenty
>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for my
> wife
>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want to 
>>> question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or 
>>> obeying
> does
>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
> built
>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
> pride
>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something 
>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow 
>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring much 
>>> of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>> 
>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my questions.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
> questioning
>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me. 
>>>>> The
>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including 
>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and 
>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour, 
>>>>> and
>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on what
> they
>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their 
>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to 
>>>>> live
> a
>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. When
> they
>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; and, 
>>> if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask 
>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will 
>>> be surprised when
> they
>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell with
> Satan
>>> and his demons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation. 
>>>>> Those
> who
>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
> offers,
>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with Him.
>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that 
>>> long
> ago
>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do 
>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end, 
>>>>> no
>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, where 
>>> no relief will be had.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible 
>>>>> says
>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the 
>>> inspired
> Word
>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what 
>>>>> I
> know
>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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