[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
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Thu May 15 22:12:49 UTC 2014
Poppa Bear,
I’ve explored many of the major denominations of Christianity, so I know very well what it is like on the inside. I just wanted to post about my own beliefs because many people in the west have not been very exposed to eastern philosophy, or have a lot of misconceptions of it. Inquiries are no problem at all, and I am always happy to answer those. I’m just not happy to be told that people who don’t believe a certain way are going to hell, or to be disrespected enough to be told outright that I’m wrong.
Brandon
On May 15, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
> This Muslim on the list and I have had discussions on and off list, one of
> the reasons that many do not respond is because he often reposts things that
> he wrote months ago and people have already addressed them. I am sorry that
> I responded to you with my inquiries and observations, I imagine you have
> your assumptions about Christianity and would rather keep them then ask
> about them and perhaps I will take that line of reasoning here and let the
> dust lye where it may.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:38 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>
> I've also heard a story like that. The truth is that I do use this
> philosophy in my day-to-day life. I used to have very chronic anxiety.
> However, having this attitude has slashed that anxiety nearly completely,
> when before I was considering medication. So I cannot accept your premise
> that it is impractical.
>
> Yes, many people preach this kind of philosophy without really following it
> themselves. But that does not invalidate the belief itself. Are there not
> Christians who preach love and selflessness, but in their day-to-day lives
> are selfish and show no love? Yet I would not say that this invalidates the
> entire religion.
>
> Self-preservation is a natural response of the body. To one who has truly
> realized the Self, they might have no preference of life or death, but still
> if a car is about to hit them, the body will of its own accord jump out of
> the way. If you touch a hot stove, you will pull your hand back. This is the
> natural flow of nature, regardless of your beliefs.
>
> What I find interesting is that there is a Muslim who posts his beliefs
> daily unchallenged, yet I posted concerning my own beliefs to see if they
> are shared by any, and have met nearly universal challenge with few
> exceptions, and was told that anyone like me would be burned forever. Just
> interesting to notice. :)
>
> Brandon
> On May 15, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>> There is a story about an Indian man who argued that we were all
>> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite
>> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked across a
>> field a bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of the
>> people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need to run, the bull is
>> really not there and pain is only in your mind." That is a belief than
>> can go no further than the mind in my opinion, because once we step
>> into the real world, we are faced with choices that we put our minds
>> to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to the bathroom",
>> and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real, then you may
>> think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it
>> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and
>> if it is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
> separate your beliefs from your real life.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>> religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>
>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If
>> you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find
>>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>> everything I ask
>> of
>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by
>>>> the
>> twenty
>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for
>>>> my
>> wife
>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want
>>>> to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
>>>> obeying
>> does
>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
>> built
>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
>> pride
>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something
>>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow
>>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring
>>>> much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>
>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my questions.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>> questioning
>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the word of god.
>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>> The
>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
>>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
>>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour,
>>>>>> and
>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on
>>>> what
>> they
>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
>>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to
>>>>>> live
>> a
>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>> When
>> they
>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness;
>>>> and, if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will
>>>> be surprised when
>> they
>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell
>>>> with
>> Satan
>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>> Those
>> who
>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>> offers,
>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with
> Him.
>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that
>>>> long
>> ago
>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
>>>>>> no
>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
>>>>>> says
>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>> inspired
>> Word
>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what
>>>>>> I
>> know
>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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