[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

justin williams via Faith-talk faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Thu May 15 22:06:35 UTC 2014 

No problem; just figured I'd say something.

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Poppa
Bear via Faith-talk
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:05 PM
To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
religion'
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

This Muslim on the list and I have had discussions on and off list, one of
the reasons that many do not respond is because he often reposts things that
he wrote months ago and people have already addressed them. I am sorry that
I responded to you with my inquiries and observations, I imagine you have
your assumptions about Christianity and would rather keep them then ask
about them and perhaps I will take that line of reasoning here and let the
dust lye where it may. 

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:38 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

I've also heard a story like that. The truth is that I do use this
philosophy in my day-to-day life. I used to have very chronic anxiety.
However, having this attitude has slashed that anxiety nearly completely,
when before I was considering medication. So I cannot accept your premise
that it is impractical.

Yes, many people preach this kind of philosophy without really following it
themselves. But that does not invalidate the belief itself. Are there not
Christians who preach love and selflessness, but in their day-to-day lives
are selfish and show no love? Yet I would not say that this invalidates the
entire religion.

Self-preservation is a natural response of the body. To one who has truly
realized the Self, they might have no preference of life or death, but still
if a car is about to hit them, the body will of its own accord jump out of
the way. If you touch a hot stove, you will pull your hand back. This is the
natural flow of nature, regardless of your beliefs.

What I find interesting is that there is a Muslim who posts his beliefs
daily unchallenged, yet I posted concerning my own beliefs to see if they
are shared by any, and have met nearly universal challenge with few
exceptions, and was told that anyone like me would be burned forever. Just
interesting to notice. :)

Brandon
On May 15, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far. 
> There is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all 
> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite 
> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked across a 
> field a bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of the 
> people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need to run, the bull is 
> really not there and pain is only in your mind." That is a belief than 
> can go no further than the mind in my opinion, because once we step 
> into the real world, we are faced with choices that we put our minds 
> to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to the bathroom", 
> and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real, then you may 
> think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it 
> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and 
> if it is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
separate your beliefs from your real life.
> 
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> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and 
> religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> 
> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many 
> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If 
> you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find 
>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning 
>>> everything I ask
> of
>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by 
>>> the
> twenty
>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for 
>>> my
> wife
>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want 
>>> to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or 
>>> obeying
> does
>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
> built
>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
> pride
>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something 
>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow 
>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring 
>>> much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>> 
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>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>> 
>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my questions.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
> questioning
>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me. 
>>>>> The
>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including 
>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and 
>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour, 
>>>>> and
>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on 
>>> what
> they
>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their 
>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to 
>>>>> live
> a
>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. 
>>> When
> they
>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; 
>>> and, if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask 
>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will 
>>> be surprised when
> they
>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell 
>>> with
> Satan
>>> and his demons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation. 
>>>>> Those
> who
>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
> offers,
>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with
Him.
>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that 
>>> long
> ago
>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do 
>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end, 
>>>>> no
>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, 
>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible 
>>>>> says
>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the 
>>> inspired
> Word
>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what 
>>>>> I
> know
>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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