[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Kirt via Faith-talk faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Thu May 15 22:25:31 UTC 2014 

Papa bear,
I promise I'm going to be done with this conversation very soon but I think you do a quite commendable job of walking the tight rope of passionately sharing your beliefs without being disrespectful or rude about it I can imagine that isn't easy if you genuinely are absolutely sure that you have the ultimate, absolute incorruptible unchangeable truth. :-) it seems as though you're the sort of person with whom I could honestly disagree, even when it comes to something as critical as personal belief systems, and still maintain a solid friendship… Or at the very least be friendly. I wish the same could be said of everybody I have met during my time on this list.
Best,
Kirt

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> On May 15, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Poppa Bear,
> 
> I’ve explored many of the major denominations of Christianity, so I know very well what it is like on the inside. I just wanted to post about my own beliefs because many people in the west have not been very exposed to eastern philosophy, or have a lot of misconceptions of it. Inquiries are no problem at all, and I am always happy to answer those. I’m just not happy to be told that people who don’t believe a certain way are going to hell, or to be disrespected enough to be told outright that I’m wrong.
> 
> Brandon
>> On May 15, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This Muslim on the list and I have had discussions on and off list, one of
>> the reasons that many do not respond is because he often reposts things that
>> he wrote months ago and people have already addressed them. I am sorry that
>> I responded to you with my inquiries and observations, I imagine you have
>> your assumptions about Christianity and would rather keep them then ask
>> about them and perhaps I will take that line of reasoning here and let the
>> dust lye where it may. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
>> Olivares via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:38 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>> 
>> I've also heard a story like that. The truth is that I do use this
>> philosophy in my day-to-day life. I used to have very chronic anxiety.
>> However, having this attitude has slashed that anxiety nearly completely,
>> when before I was considering medication. So I cannot accept your premise
>> that it is impractical.
>> 
>> Yes, many people preach this kind of philosophy without really following it
>> themselves. But that does not invalidate the belief itself. Are there not
>> Christians who preach love and selflessness, but in their day-to-day lives
>> are selfish and show no love? Yet I would not say that this invalidates the
>> entire religion.
>> 
>> Self-preservation is a natural response of the body. To one who has truly
>> realized the Self, they might have no preference of life or death, but still
>> if a car is about to hit them, the body will of its own accord jump out of
>> the way. If you touch a hot stove, you will pull your hand back. This is the
>> natural flow of nature, regardless of your beliefs.
>> 
>> What I find interesting is that there is a Muslim who posts his beliefs
>> daily unchallenged, yet I posted concerning my own beliefs to see if they
>> are shared by any, and have met nearly universal challenge with few
>> exceptions, and was told that anyone like me would be burned forever. Just
>> interesting to notice. :)
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far. 
>>> There is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all 
>>> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite 
>>> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked across a 
>>> field a bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of the 
>>> people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need to run, the bull is 
>>> really not there and pain is only in your mind." That is a belief than 
>>> can go no further than the mind in my opinion, because once we step 
>>> into the real world, we are faced with choices that we put our minds 
>>> to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to the bathroom", 
>>> and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real, then you may 
>>> think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it 
>>> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and 
>>> if it is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
>> separate your beliefs from your real life.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and 
>>> religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>> 
>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many 
>>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If 
>>> you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>> 
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
>>>> 
>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find 
>>>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning 
>>>>> everything I ask
>>> of
>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by 
>>>>> the
>>> twenty
>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for 
>>>>> my
>>> wife
>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want 
>>>>> to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or 
>>>>> obeying
>>> does
>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
>>> built
>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
>>> pride
>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something 
>>>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow 
>>>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring 
>>>>> much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>> 
>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my questions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>> questioning
>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me. 
>>>>>>> The
>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including 
>>>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and 
>>>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on 
>>>>> what
>>> they
>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their 
>>>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to 
>>>>>>> live
>>> a
>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. 
>>>>> When
>>> they
>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; 
>>>>> and, if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask 
>>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will 
>>>>> be surprised when
>>> they
>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell 
>>>>> with
>>> Satan
>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation. 
>>>>>>> Those
>>> who
>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>>> offers,
>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with
>> Him.
>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that 
>>>>> long
>>> ago
>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do 
>>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end, 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, 
>>>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible 
>>>>>>> says
>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the 
>>>>> inspired
>>> Word
>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what 
>>>>>>> I
>>> know
>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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