[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
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Thu May 15 23:09:33 UTC 2014
Kirt, that is a great complement and very humbling. Your words are strait and hit the mark and I whole heartedly agree with your perspective. It is very difficult to try and express such powerful heartfelt beliefs on a list. All the things we talk about are only one half of the coinage, the daily walk, choices, tests and teachable as well as learnable moments really put breath into the body of any belief system, and in our case time and space separate us on this list so we are left trying to use words and thoughts that are often feeble, and clumsy to share our faith with one another.
In His grip
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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via Faith-talk
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:26 PM
To: Brandon Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Papa bear,
I promise I'm going to be done with this conversation very soon but I think you do a quite commendable job of walking the tight rope of passionately sharing your beliefs without being disrespectful or rude about it I can imagine that isn't easy if you genuinely are absolutely sure that you have the ultimate, absolute incorruptible unchangeable truth. :-) it seems as though you're the sort of person with whom I could honestly disagree, even when it comes to something as critical as personal belief systems, and still maintain a solid friendship… Or at the very least be friendly. I wish the same could be said of everybody I have met during my time on this list.
Best,
Kirt
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> On May 15, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Poppa Bear,
>
> I’ve explored many of the major denominations of Christianity, so I know very well what it is like on the inside. I just wanted to post about my own beliefs because many people in the west have not been very exposed to eastern philosophy, or have a lot of misconceptions of it. Inquiries are no problem at all, and I am always happy to answer those. I’m just not happy to be told that people who don’t believe a certain way are going to hell, or to be disrespected enough to be told outright that I’m wrong.
>
> Brandon
>> On May 15, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This Muslim on the list and I have had discussions on and off list,
>> one of the reasons that many do not respond is because he often
>> reposts things that he wrote months ago and people have already
>> addressed them. I am sorry that I responded to you with my inquiries
>> and observations, I imagine you have your assumptions about
>> Christianity and would rather keep them then ask about them and
>> perhaps I will take that line of reasoning here and let the dust lye where it may.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 1:38 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>
>> I've also heard a story like that. The truth is that I do use this
>> philosophy in my day-to-day life. I used to have very chronic anxiety.
>> However, having this attitude has slashed that anxiety nearly
>> completely, when before I was considering medication. So I cannot
>> accept your premise that it is impractical.
>>
>> Yes, many people preach this kind of philosophy without really
>> following it themselves. But that does not invalidate the belief
>> itself. Are there not Christians who preach love and selflessness,
>> but in their day-to-day lives are selfish and show no love? Yet I
>> would not say that this invalidates the entire religion.
>>
>> Self-preservation is a natural response of the body. To one who has
>> truly realized the Self, they might have no preference of life or
>> death, but still if a car is about to hit them, the body will of its
>> own accord jump out of the way. If you touch a hot stove, you will
>> pull your hand back. This is the natural flow of nature, regardless of your beliefs.
>>
>> What I find interesting is that there is a Muslim who posts his
>> beliefs daily unchallenged, yet I posted concerning my own beliefs to
>> see if they are shared by any, and have met nearly universal
>> challenge with few exceptions, and was told that anyone like me would
>> be burned forever. Just interesting to notice. :)
>>
>> Brandon
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>> There is a story about an Indian man who argued that we were all
>>> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite
>>> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked across
>>> a field a bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of
>>> the people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need to run, the
>>> bull is really not there and pain is only in your mind." That is a
>>> belief than can go no further than the mind in my opinion, because
>>> once we step into the real world, we are faced with choices that we
>>> put our minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to
>>> the bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not
>>> real, then you may think that this philosophy has felled in one
>>> small point. But if it works for you, then only you know how it fits
>>> your way of thinking and if it is an honest approach to your daily
>>> activity, or if you have to
>> separate your beliefs from your real life.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>> religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>
>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud,
>>>> but
>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such.
>>> If you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do
>>>>> find that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>>> everything I ask
>>> of
>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by
>>>>> the
>>> twenty
>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for
>>>>> my
>>> wife
>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want
>>>>> to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
>>>>> obeying
>>> does
>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage
>>>>> is
>>> built
>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will
>>>>> often
>>> pride
>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith,
>>>>> something that demands a real commitment from us, but we will
>>>>> often swallow whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of
>>>>> it, desiring much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>
>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>> questioning
>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the word of god.
>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it,
>>>>> including comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in
>>>>> heaven, and knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal
>>>>>>> Saviour, and
>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on
>>>>> what
>>> they
>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently,
>>>>> their conversion is not real.
>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best
>>>>>>> to live
>>> a
>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>> When
>>> they
>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness;
>>>>> and, if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians
>>>>> will be surprised when
>>> they
>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell
>>>>> with
>>> Satan
>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>> Those
>>> who
>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>>> offers,
>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven
>>>>> with
>> Him.
>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not
>>>>> that long
>>> ago
>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
>>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
>>>>>>> says
>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>> inspired
>>> Word
>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on
>>>>>>> what I
>>> know
>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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