[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
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Fri May 16 05:03:21 UTC 2014
Linda and Christina, I think both of you expressed yourselves well and
gracefully. Sometimes it is like we're blocks of marble and as the Master
chips away all of the non since his image shows forth at different angles
and in different proportions and at the same time, there is still plenty of
jagged and rough edges that sometimes hurt others, and more than not hurt
ourselves as the Master has to chip them away. Thankfully we are in the
hands of such a tender and skilful craftsman.
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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Linda
Mentink via Faith-talk
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:34 PM
To: Christine Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Hi Christine,
Brandon is your husband? How can he be seeking truth when he doesn't believe
there is any? I will pray for him, and for you, too.
Thank you for your post. I can't empathize with someone who is where I've
not been. I admit that I don't handle things well, and I don't always
express myself the way I should. Tact is not one of my strong points.
I can judge according to what the Bible says, and I will not take back
anything truthful that I have said in my posts. As has already been said,
email posts come off differently than face to face communication. I don't
mean to be unloving and hurtful, and for that I am truly sorry.
As to what Christ would say, He knows I'm still a work in progress, as are
we all. I'm sorry you were so hurt by Christians, and I'm glad you returned
to Christ.
Blessings,
Linda
At 10:33 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>Linda,
>As you know, I am a Christian too. I also understand where you are
>coming from in your beliefs. However, when you tell someone they are
>condemned, or that God condemns or something of that nature, you may
>close the door to have someone ever come back to Christianity. I left
>Christianity for a long time, specifically Catholicism because of the
>condemnation I received. No one just loved me where I was but condemned
>me and really hurt me deeply.
>
>how would you feel if you ever left christianity and someone told you
>you were going to Hell, or that God should condemn you? Better yet,
>when you die, how do you think Jesus would respond to what you said to
>my husband? I think you would be the one judged, not him as much
>because he is seeking Truth more than anyone I know. My Bible says,
>"judge not lest ye be judged." It doesn't say, "Condemn all those who
>do not follow me."
>If you want to win someone back to Christianity, why don't you try to
>show love and understand where they are coming from, and pray for them
>privately? That is what brought me back to Christianity.
>
>I know you don't mean to condemn people, but you don't know people's
>hearts. so I would please ask you to not be so hurtful and try to have
>some empathy. If you ever left christianity, which I'm sure you won't,
>and if I ever said you were condemned, what would you do? Wouldn't you
>be really hurt and want nothing to do with people who claim to be
>christians? I don't consider someone a Christian if he/she goes around
>condemning someone.there are nicer ways of saying what you said.
>
>God bless,
>christine
>On May 15, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Brandon,
> >
> > I know you are talking about me, and I am not
> publicly condemning you or anyone who does not believe as I do. I just
> state what the Bible says, so God and His Word condemn you.
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > At 04:43 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
> >> Yes, this is exactly how I feel as well. As
> I said before, I think diversity is a great thing. I will never deny
> the freedom of a person to be whatever religion he likes. But it seems
> to me that some of the Christians on this list are publicly denouncing
> and condemning anyone who thinks differently, on a list that is for
> people of all faiths.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your input. :)
> >>
> >> Brandon
> >> On May 15, 2014, at 5:23 PM, justin williams
> via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are you folks arguing or something; It
> sounds like Brandon tried to explain
> >> > his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared
> >> > by all faiths. The Christians have expressed
> their faith over and over, slapped
> >> > each other on the back and a mened ever
> sense I've been on this list. Oh,
> >> > and you have also piled onto anyone else
> who is not saying the exact same
> >> > things you espouse.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Faith-talk
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Poppa
> >> > Bear via Faith-talk
> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
> >> > To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith
> >> > and religion'
> >> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >
> >> > Some of this logic cuts itself off at the
> feet and only goes so far. There
> >> > is a story about an Indian man who argued
> that we were all nothing as he
> >> > taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing.
> >> > After the discussion when he went out and walked across a field a
> >> > bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of
> the people at his talk yelled to
> >> > him, "You don't need to run, the bull is
> really not there and pain is only
> >> > in your mind." That is a belief than can
> go no further than the mind in my
> >> > opinion, because once we step into the
> real world, we are faced with choices
> >> > that we put our minds to almost every
> minute. If you said, "I need to go to
> >> > the bathroom", and I said, that is simply
> a feeling that is not real, then
> >> > you may think that this philosophy has
> felled in one small point. But if it
> >> > works for you, then only you know how it
> fits your way of thinking and if it
> >> > is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
> >> > separate your beliefs from your real life.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Faith-talk
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> >> > Olivares via Faith-talk
> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
> >> > To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> >> > religion
> >> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >
> >> > I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
> >> > On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
> >> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the
> >> >> proud, but
> >> > gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's
> fine to question many things, but
> >> > not the Bible and your faith in God, if
> you have such. If you don't, that's
> >> > good reason to question your beliefs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Blessings,
> >> >>
> >> >> Linda
> >> >>
> >> >> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
> >> >>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do
> >> >>> find
>
> >> >>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
> >> >>> everything I ask
> >> > of
> >> >>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered
> >> >>> by the
> >> > twenty
> >> >>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something
> >> >>> for my
> >> > wife
> >> >>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may
> >> >>> want to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply
> >> >>> doing, or obeying
> >> > does
> >> >>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a
> >> >>> marriage is
> >> > built
> >> >>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will
> >> >>> often
> >> > pride
> >> >>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith,
> >> >>> something
>
> >> >>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often
> >> >>> swallow whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it,
> >> >>> desiring much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting
stuff.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> >>> Behalf Of Kirt via Faith-talk
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
> >> >>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> >> >>> religion
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >>>
> >> >>> :-) I, for one, take pride in
> questioning everything. Even my questions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
> >> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
> >> > questioning
> >> >>> my beliefs. They are based on the word of god.
> >> >>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
> >> >>>>> Hi all,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in
me.
> >> >>>>> The
> >> >>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it,
> >> >>> including comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity
> >> >>> in heaven, and knowledge of the Triune God.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal
> >> >>>>> Saviour, and
> >> >>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis
> >> >>> on what
> >> > they
> >> >>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently,
> >> >>> their
>
> >> >>> conversion is not real.
> >> >>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their
> >> >>>>> best to
>
> >> >>>>> live
> >> > a
> >> >>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in
> >> >>> them. When
> >> > they
> >> >>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's
> >> >>> forgiveness; and, if necessary, and they have sinned against
> >> >>> someone, they ask forgiveness of that person. Many who think
> >> >>> they are Christians will
>
> >> >>> be surprised when
> >> > they
> >> >>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in
> >> >>> hell with
> >> > Satan
> >> >>> and his demons.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
> >> >>>>> Those
> >> > who
> >> >>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness
> >> >>> He
> >> > offers,
> >> >>> will spend their life after earthly
> death in eternity in Heaven with Him.
> >> >>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not
> >> >>> that
>
> >> >>> long
> >> > ago
> >> >>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to
> >> >>> do things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting
God.
>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their
> >> >>>>> end, no
> >> >>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
> >> >>> where no relief will be had.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the
> >> >>>>> Bible says
> >> >>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
> >> >>> inspired
> >> > Word
> >> >>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on
> >> >>>>> what I
> >> > know
> >> >>> to be true in the Bible.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Blessings,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Linda
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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