[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Linda Mentink via Faith-talk faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Fri May 16 04:33:49 UTC 2014 

Hi Christine,

Brandon is your husband? How can he be seeking 
truth when he doesn't believe there is any? I 
will pray for him, and for you, too.

Thank you for your post. I can't empathize with 
someone who is where I've not been. I admit that 
I don't handle things well, and I don't always 
express myself the way I should. Tact is not one of my strong points.

I can judge according to what the Bible says, and 
I will not take back anything truthful that I 
have said in my posts. As has already been said, 
email posts come off differently than face to 
face communication. I don't mean to be unloving 
and hurtful, and for that I am truly sorry.

As to what Christ would say, He knows I'm still a 
work in progress, as are we all.  I'm sorry you 
were so hurt by Christians, and I'm glad you returned to Christ.

Blessings,

Linda



At 10:33 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>Linda,
>As you know, I am a Christian too. I also 
>understand where you are coming from in your 
>beliefs. However, when you tell someone they are 
>condemned, or that God condemns or something of 
>that nature, you may close the door to have 
>someone ever come back to Christianity. I left 
>Christianity for a long time, specifically 
>Catholicism because of the condemnation I 
>received. No one just loved me where I was but 
>condemned me and really hurt me deeply.
>
>how would you feel if you ever left christianity 
>and someone told you you were going to Hell, or 
>that God should condemn you? Better yet, when 
>you die, how do you think Jesus would respond to 
>what you said to my husband? I think you would 
>be the one judged, not him as much because he is 
>seeking Truth more than anyone I know. My Bible 
>says, “judge not lest ye be judged.” It doesn’t 
>say, “Condemn all those who do not follow me.” 
>If you want to win someone back to Christianity, 
>why don’t you try to show love and understand 
>where they are coming from, and pray for them 
>privately? That is what brought me back to Christianity.
>
>I know you don’t mean to condemn people, but you 
>don’t know people’s hearts. so I would please 
>ask you to not be so hurtful and try to have 
>some empathy. If you ever left christianity, 
>which I’m sure you won’t, and if I ever said you 
>were condemned, what would you do? Wouldn’t you 
>be really hurt and want nothing to do with 
>people who claim to be christians? I don’t 
>consider someone a Christian if he/she goes 
>around condemning someone
there are nicer ways of saying what you said.
>
>God bless,
>christine
>On May 15, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Linda Mentink via 
>Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Brandon,
> >
> > I know you are talking about me, and I am not 
> publicly condemning you or anyone who does not 
> believe as I do. I just state what the Bible 
> says, so God and His Word condemn you.
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > At 04:43 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
> >> Yes, this is exactly how I feel as well. As 
> I said before, I think diversity is a great 
> thing. I will never deny the freedom of a 
> person to be whatever religion he likes. But it 
> seems to me that some of the Christians on this 
> list are publicly denouncing and condemning 
> anyone who thinks differently, on a list that is for people of all faiths.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your input. :)
> >>
> >> Brandon
> >> On May 15, 2014, at 5:23 PM, justin williams 
> via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Are you folks arguing or something; It 
> sounds like Brandon tried to explain
> >> > his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared by all
> >> > faiths. The Christians have expressed 
> their faith over and over,  slapped
> >> > each other on the back and a mened ever 
> sense I've been on this list.  Oh,
> >> > and you have also piled onto anyone else 
> who is not saying the exact same
> >> > things you espouse.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Faith-talk 
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Poppa
> >> > Bear via Faith-talk
> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
> >> > To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> >> > religion'
> >> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >
> >> > Some of this logic cuts itself off at the 
> feet and only goes so far. There
> >> > is a story about an  Indian man who argued 
> that we were all nothing as he
> >> > taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing. After the
> >> > discussion when he went out and walked across a field a bull started to
> >> > charge him and he started to run. One of 
> the people at his talk yelled to
> >> > him, "You don't need to run, the bull is 
> really not there and pain is only
> >> > in your mind." That is a belief than can 
> go no further than the mind in my
> >> > opinion, because once we step into the 
> real world, we are faced with choices
> >> > that we put our minds to almost every 
> minute. If you said, "I need to go to
> >> > the bathroom", and I said, that is simply 
> a feeling that is not real, then
> >> > you may think that this philosophy has 
> felled in one small point. But if it
> >> > works for you, then only you know how it 
> fits your way of thinking and if it
> >> > is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to separate
> >> > your beliefs from your real life.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Faith-talk 
> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> >> > Olivares via Faith-talk
> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
> >> > To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >
> >> > I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
> >> > On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
> >> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
> >> > gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's 
> fine to question many things, but
> >> > not the Bible and your faith in God, if 
> you have such. If you don't, that's
> >> > good reason to question your beliefs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Blessings,
> >> >>
> >> >> Linda
> >> >>
> >> >> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
> >> >>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find
>
> >> >>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
> >> >>> everything I ask
> >> > of
> >> >>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by the
> >> > twenty
> >> >>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for my
> >> > wife
> >> >>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want to
> >> >>> question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
> >> >>> obeying
> >> > does
> >> >>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
> >> > built
> >> >>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
> >> > pride
> >> >>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something
>
> >> >>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow
> >> >>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring much
> >> >>> of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >>> Kirt via Faith-talk
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
> >> >>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
> >> >>>
> >> >>> :-) I, for one, take pride in 
> questioning everything. Even my questions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
> >> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
> >> > questioning
> >> >>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
> >> >>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
> >> >>>>> Hi all,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
> >> >>>>> The
> >> >>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
> >> >>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
> >> >>> knowledge of the Triune God.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour,
> >> >>>>> and
> >> >>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on what
> >> > they
> >> >>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
>
> >> >>> conversion is not real.
> >> >>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to
>
> >> >>>>> live
> >> > a
> >> >>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them. When
> >> > they
> >> >>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness; and,
> >> >>> if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
> >> >>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will
>
> >> >>> be surprised when
> >> > they
> >> >>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell with
> >> > Satan
> >> >>> and his demons.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
> >> >>>>> Those
> >> > who
> >> >>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
> >> > offers,
> >> >>> will spend their life after earthly 
> death in eternity in Heaven with Him.
> >> >>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that
>
> >> >>> long
> >> > ago
> >> >>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
> >> >>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
> >> >>>>> no
> >> >>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire, where
> >> >>> no relief will be had.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
> >> >>>>> says
> >> >>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
> >> >>> inspired
> >> > Word
> >> >>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what
> >> >>>>> I
> >> > know
> >> >>> to be true in the Bible.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Blessings,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Linda
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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