[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
justin williams via Faith-talk
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Fri May 16 14:20:45 UTC 2014
He married a Christian; he definitely does not think all Christians are bad.
-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:19 AM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Andrew,
I never said all Christians were bad. My wife Christine is Christian and
she's certainly not bad, and indeed very accepting of my path.
Truth is the way, yes precisely. But to me, not necessarily Jesus, and for
me the Bible does not prove that. It is just a book, no more. But I think it
may be best to agree to disagree, unless you are interested in continuing
this. I have nothing to defend nor do I wish to convert you nor anyone else.
Brandon
On May 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
> being a christian is not a religion it is about having a relationship
> with jesus i don't agree that it is a religion. and brandon not all
> christians are not bad. that said nobody is perfect but that does
> not mean all christians are bad. we all screw up and make mistakes
> but does not make all christians terrible to be around that may be
> your experience yes but still not all christians are bad. besides
> the bible says the truth is the way truth and the life and the bible
> proves that jesus really excisted and he is the only way truth and
> life. and i believe we are in the last days and that satan is doing a
> good job at deceiving many in the world today.
>
> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on a
>> mailing list. :) On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via
>> Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside the
>>> Bible predicts it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
>>> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>> religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>
>>> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others espouse
>>> there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way is that
>>> correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs including
>>> those of us that are Christians.
>>> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried to
>>>> explain his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one
>>>> shared by all faiths. The Christians have expressed their faith
>>>> over and over, slapped each other on the back and a mened ever
>>>> sense I've been on this list.
>>>> Oh,
>>>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the
>>>> exact same things you espouse.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>>>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith
>>>> and religion'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>
>>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>>> There
>>>> is a story about an Indian man who argued that we were all nothing
>>>> as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing.
>>>> After the discussion when he went out and walked across a field a
>>>> bull started to charge him and he started to run. One of the people
>>>> at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need to run, the bull is
>>>> really not there and pain is only in your mind." That is a belief
>>>> than can go no further than the mind in my opinion, because once we
>>>> step into the real world, we are faced with choices that we put our
>>>> minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to go to the
>>>> bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real,
>>>> then you may think that this philosophy has felled in one small
>>>> point. But if it works for you, then only you know how it fits your
>>>> way of thinking and if it is an honest approach to your daily
>>>> activity, or if you have to separate your beliefs from your real
>>>> life.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>> religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>
>>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud,
>>>>> but
>>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such.
>>>> If you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do
>>>>>> find that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>>>> everything I ask
>>>> of
>>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by
>>>>>> the
>>>> twenty
>>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something
>>>>>> for my
>>>> wife
>>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may
>>>>>> want to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply
>>>>>> doing, or obeying
>>>> does
>>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage
>>>>>> is
>>>> built
>>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will
>>>>>> often
>>>> pride
>>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith,
>>>>>> something that demands a real commitment from us, but we will
>>>>>> often swallow whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of
>>>>>> it, desiring much of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting
stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my
>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>>> questioning
>>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the word of god.
>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it,
>>>>>> including comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity
>>>>>> in heaven, and knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal
>>>>>>>> Saviour, and
>>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on
>>>>>> what
>>>> they
>>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently,
>>>>>> their conversion is not real.
>>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best
>>>>>>>> to live
>>>> a
>>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>>> When
>>>> they
>>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness;
>>>>>> and, if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians
>>>>>> will be surprised when
>>>> they
>>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell
>>>>>> with
>>>> Satan
>>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>>> Those
>>>> who
>>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness
>>>>>> He
>>>> offers,
>>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven
>>>>>> with Him.
>>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not
>>>>>> that long
>>>> ago
>>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to
>>>>>> do things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting
God.
>>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their
>>>>>>>> end, no
>>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the
>>>>>>>> Bible says
>>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>>> inspired
>>>> Word
>>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on
>>>>>>>> what I
>>>> know
>>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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