[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Fri May 16 14:22:56 UTC 2014

reason i flew off like i did was because the way you put it seemed
like you were targeting all christians even if you did not use the
word all but that is what it seemed anyway. the bible is more than
just a book. i could prove that it is more than just a book yes men
wrote the bible but  god gave them the words on which to say and
scripture was god breathed.

On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I never said all Christians were bad. My wife Christine is Christian and
> she's certainly not bad, and indeed very accepting of my path.
>
> Truth is the way, yes precisely. But to me, not necessarily Jesus, and for
> me the Bible does not prove that. It is just a book, no more. But I think it
> may be best to agree to disagree, unless you are interested in continuing
> this. I have nothing to defend nor do I wish to convert you nor anyone
> else.
>
> Brandon
> On May 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> being a christian is not a religion it is about having a relationship
>> with jesus  i don't agree that it is a religion.   and brandon not all
>> christians  are not bad.  that said nobody is perfect  but that does
>> not mean all christians are bad.   we all screw up and make mistakes
>> but does not make all christians terrible to be around that may be
>> your experience yes but  still not all christians are bad.   besides
>> the bible says the  truth is the way truth and the life and the bible
>> proves that jesus really excisted and he  is the only way truth and
>> life.  and i believe we are in the last days and that satan is doing a
>> good job at deceiving many  in the world today.
>>
>> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on a
>>> mailing
>>> list. :)
>>> On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside the
>>>> Bible
>>>> predicts it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
>>>> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>> religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others espouse
>>>> there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way is that
>>>> correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs including
>>>> those of us that are Christians.
>>>> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried to
>>>>> explain
>>>>> his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared by all
>>>>> faiths. The Christians have expressed their faith over and over,
>>>>> slapped
>>>>> each other on the back and a mened ever sense I've been on this list.
>>>>> Oh,
>>>>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the exact
>>>>> same
>>>>> things you espouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Poppa
>>>>> Bear via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>>>>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>>>> There
>>>>> is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all nothing as
>>>>> he
>>>>> taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing. After the
>>>>> discussion when he went out and walked across a field a bull started
>>>>> to
>>>>> charge him and he started to run. One of the people at his talk yelled
>>>>> to
>>>>> him, "You don't need to run, the bull is really not there and pain is
>>>>> only
>>>>> in your mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the mind
>>>>> in
>>>>> my
>>>>> opinion, because once we step into the real world, we are faced with
>>>>> choices
>>>>> that we put our minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to
>>>>> go
>>>>> to
>>>>> the bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real,
>>>>> then
>>>>> you may think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But
>>>>> if
>>>>> it
>>>>> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and
>>>>> if
>>>>> it
>>>>> is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
>>>>> separate
>>>>> your beliefs from your real life.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>> Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>
>>>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
>>>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>>>> things,
>>>>> but
>>>>> not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If you don't,
>>>>> that's
>>>>> good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find
>>>>>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>>>>> everything I ask
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>> twenty
>>>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for
>>>>>>> my
>>>>> wife
>>>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
>>>>>>> obeying
>>>>> does
>>>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
>>>>> built
>>>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
>>>>> pride
>>>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something
>>>>>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow
>>>>>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my
>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>>>> questioning
>>>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
>>>>>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
>>>>>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on
>>>>>>> what
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
>>>>>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to
>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>>>> When
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness;
>>>>>>> and,
>>>>>>> if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will
>>>>>>> be surprised when
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell
>>>>>>> with
>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>>>> Those
>>>>> who
>>>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>>>>> offers,
>>>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with
>>>>>>> Him.
>>>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that
>>>>>>> long
>>>>> ago
>>>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
>>>>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>>>> inspired
>>>>> Word
>>>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>> know
>>>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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