[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
justin williams via Faith-talk
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Fri May 16 14:55:00 UTC 2014
And please do nnot try to prove the bible with the bible; that does not
work, unless you have faith.
-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:53 AM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
Respectfully, I do not think it is possible to prove the Bible is true. It's
really not even possible to prove that God exists. That is why there is
something called faith. :) On May 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Andrew
<andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
> reason i flew off like i did was because the way you put it seemed
> like you were targeting all christians even if you did not use the
> word all but that is what it seemed anyway. the bible is more than
> just a book. i could prove that it is more than just a book yes men
> wrote the bible but god gave them the words on which to say and
> scripture was god breathed.
>
> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>
>> I never said all Christians were bad. My wife Christine is Christian
>> and she's certainly not bad, and indeed very accepting of my path.
>>
>> Truth is the way, yes precisely. But to me, not necessarily Jesus,
>> and for me the Bible does not prove that. It is just a book, no more.
>> But I think it may be best to agree to disagree, unless you are
>> interested in continuing this. I have nothing to defend nor do I wish
>> to convert you nor anyone else.
>>
>> Brandon
>> On May 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> being a christian is not a religion it is about having a relationship
>>> with jesus i don't agree that it is a religion. and brandon not all
>>> christians are not bad. that said nobody is perfect but that does
>>> not mean all christians are bad. we all screw up and make mistakes
>>> but does not make all christians terrible to be around that may be
>>> your experience yes but still not all christians are bad. besides
>>> the bible says the truth is the way truth and the life and the
>>> bible proves that jesus really excisted and he is the only way
>>> truth and life. and i believe we are in the last days and that
>>> satan is doing a good job at deceiving many in the world today.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on a
>>>> mailing list. :) On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer
>>>> via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside the
>>>>> Bible predicts it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
>>>>> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others
>>>>> espouse there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way
>>>>> is that correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs
>>>>> including those of us that are Christians.
>>>>> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried
>>>>>> to explain his belief system on a list which was supposed to be
>>>>>> one shared by all faiths. The Christians have expressed their
>>>>>> faith over and over, slapped each other on the back and a mened
>>>>>> ever sense I've been on this list.
>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the
>>>>>> exact same things you espouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith
>>>>>> and religion'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> is a story about an Indian man who argued that we were all
>>>>>> nothing as he taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite
>>>>>> convincing. After the discussion when he went out and walked
>>>>>> across a field a bull started to charge him and he started to
>>>>>> run. One of the people at his talk yelled to him, "You don't need
>>>>>> to run, the bull is really not there and pain is only in your
>>>>>> mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the mind in
>>>>>> my opinion, because once we step into the real world, we are
>>>>>> faced with choices that we put our minds to almost every minute.
>>>>>> If you said, "I need to go to the bathroom", and I said, that is
>>>>>> simply a feeling that is not real, then you may think that this
>>>>>> philosophy has felled in one small point. But if it works for
>>>>>> you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and if
>>>>>> it is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have
>>>>>> to separate your beliefs from your real life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>>>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the
>>>>>>> proud, but
>>>>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>>>>> things, but not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have
>>>>>> such. If you don't, that's good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do
>>>>>>>> find that when my children are able to listen without
>>>>>>>> questioning everything I ask
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered
>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something
>>>>>>>> for my
>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may
>>>>>>>> want to question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply
>>>>>>>> doing, or obeying
>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a
>>>>>>>> marriage is
>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will
>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>> pride
>>>>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith,
>>>>>>>> something that demands a real commitment from us, but we will
>>>>>>>> often swallow whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much
>>>>>>>> of it, desiring much of it, or prematurely condemning it.
>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>>>>> questioning
>>>>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the word of god.
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in
me.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it,
>>>>>>>> including comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity
>>>>>>>> in heaven, and knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal
>>>>>>>>>> Saviour, and
>>>>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis
>>>>>>>> on what
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently,
>>>>>>>> their conversion is not real.
>>>>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their
>>>>>>>>>> best to live
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's
>>>>>>>> forgiveness; and, if necessary, and they have sinned against
>>>>>>>> someone, they ask forgiveness of that person. Many who think
>>>>>>>> they are Christians will be surprised when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in
>>>>>>>> hell with
>>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>> offers,
>>>>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven
>>>>>>>> with Him.
>>>>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not
>>>>>>>> that long
>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to
>>>>>>>> do things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting
God.
>>>>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their
>>>>>>>>>> end, no
>>>>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>>>>>> where no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the
>>>>>>>>>> Bible says
>>>>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>>>>> inspired
>>>>>> Word
>>>>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on
>>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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