[Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs

Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Fri May 16 14:52:47 UTC 2014 

Respectfully, I do not think it is possible to prove the Bible is true. It’s really not even possible to prove that God exists. That is why there is something called faith. :)
On May 16, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:

> reason i flew off like i did was because the way you put it seemed
> like you were targeting all christians even if you did not use the
> word all but that is what it seemed anyway. the bible is more than
> just a book. i could prove that it is more than just a book yes men
> wrote the bible but  god gave them the words on which to say and
> scripture was god breathed.
> 
> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> I never said all Christians were bad. My wife Christine is Christian and
>> she's certainly not bad, and indeed very accepting of my path.
>> 
>> Truth is the way, yes precisely. But to me, not necessarily Jesus, and for
>> me the Bible does not prove that. It is just a book, no more. But I think it
>> may be best to agree to disagree, unless you are interested in continuing
>> this. I have nothing to defend nor do I wish to convert you nor anyone
>> else.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On May 16, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> being a christian is not a religion it is about having a relationship
>>> with jesus  i don't agree that it is a religion.   and brandon not all
>>> christians  are not bad.  that said nobody is perfect  but that does
>>> not mean all christians are bad.   we all screw up and make mistakes
>>> but does not make all christians terrible to be around that may be
>>> your experience yes but  still not all christians are bad.   besides
>>> the bible says the  truth is the way truth and the life and the bible
>>> proves that jesus really excisted and he  is the only way truth and
>>> life.  and i believe we are in the last days and that satan is doing a
>>> good job at deceiving many  in the world today.
>>> 
>>> On 5/16/14, Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I would not call persecution a few people disagreeing with you on a
>>>> mailing
>>>> list. :)
>>>> On May 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> And we are supposed to be questioned persecuted on the outside the
>>>>> Bible
>>>>> predicts it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:31 AM
>>>>> To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>>>>> religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't believe this statement is fair. It's okay if others espouse
>>>>> there views but we as christians shouldn't do that no way is that
>>>>> correct. anyone can and should be able to explain beliefs including
>>>>> those of us that are Christians.
>>>>> On 5/15/2014 3:23 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>> Are you folks arguing or something; It sounds like Brandon tried to
>>>>>> explain
>>>>>> his belief system on a list which was supposed to be one shared by all
>>>>>> faiths. The Christians have expressed their faith over and over,
>>>>>> slapped
>>>>>> each other on the back and a mened ever sense I've been on this list.
>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>> and you have also piled onto anyone else who is not saying the exact
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> things you espouse.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Poppa
>>>>>> Bear via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:10 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Brandon Olivares'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some of this logic cuts itself off at the feet and only goes so far.
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> is a story about an  Indian man who argued that we were all nothing as
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> taught a body of seekers, his argument was quite convincing. After the
>>>>>> discussion when he went out and walked across a field a bull started
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> charge him and he started to run. One of the people at his talk yelled
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> him, "You don't need to run, the bull is really not there and pain is
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> in your mind." That is a belief than can go no further than the mind
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> opinion, because once we step into the real world, we are faced with
>>>>>> choices
>>>>>> that we put our minds to almost every minute. If you said, "I need to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the bathroom", and I said, that is simply a feeling that is not real,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> you may think that this philosophy has felled in one small point. But
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> works for you, then only you know how it fits your way of thinking and
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is an honest approach to your daily activity, or if you have to
>>>>>> separate
>>>>>> your beliefs from your real life.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>> Olivares via Faith-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:10 PM
>>>>>> To: Linda Mentink; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
>>>>>> religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I love to question. In my experience, nothing is true.
>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And God says in His Word, the Bible, that he resisteth the proud, but
>>>>>> gives grace to the humble. Of course, it's fine to question many
>>>>>> things,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> not the Bible and your faith in God, if you have such. If you don't,
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> good reason to question your beliefs.
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At 02:37 PM 5/15/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think that questions can be good, but as a father of 7, I do find
>>>>>>>> that when my children are able to listen without questioning
>>>>>>>> everything I ask
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> them it brings a trust, an intimacy that is sometimes tattered by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>>>> questions. As for me, being married, I will often do something for
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>> simply because she asks me, I may think that it is silly, may want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> question her reasons, needs and all that, but simply doing, or
>>>>>>>> obeying
>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> more to create the bond of love and trust that I think a marriage is
>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>> on than being a analytical owl about everything. Also, we will often
>>>>>> pride
>>>>>>>> ourselves on asking questions about something like faith, something
>>>>>>>> that demands a real commitment from us, but we will often swallow
>>>>>>>> whole the garbage in our culture, imitating much of it, desiring
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> of it, or prematurely condemning it. Interesting stuff.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Kirt via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26 AM
>>>>>>>> To: sheila; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Questioning Our Beliefs
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> :-) I, for one, take pride in questioning everything. Even my
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2014, at 12:38 PM, sheila via Faith-talk
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi Linda I am in complete agreement and am not interested in
>>>>>> questioning
>>>>>>>> my beliefs. They are based on the  word of god.
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2014 10:15 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I do not question my beliefs, not since Christ came to live in me.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Bible is my Guide for life. I receive many things from it, including
>>>>>>>> comfort, wisdom, assurance that I will spend eternity in heaven, and
>>>>>>>> knowledge of the Triune God.
>>>>>>>>>> Those who say they have accepted Christ as their personal Saviour,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> still continue to lie, cheat and steal, put too much emphasis on
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> did. They have not repented of these sins, and, consequently, their
>>>>>>>> conversion is not real.
>>>>>>>>>> True Christians abhor sin, and, with God's help, do their best to
>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> different life than they did before Christ came to live in them.
>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> do sin, which all do, they are sorry, and ask God's forgiveness;
>>>>>>>> and,
>>>>>>>> if necessary, and they have sinned against someone, they ask
>>>>>>>> forgiveness of that person. Many who think they are Christians will
>>>>>>>> be surprised when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> meet God, and are turned away from Him to spend eternity in hell
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Satan
>>>>>>>> and his demons.
>>>>>>>>>> Christianity has been around since the beginning of creation.
>>>>>>>>>> Those
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> take God at His Word, and accept the free grace and forgiveness He
>>>>>> offers,
>>>>>>>> will spend their life after earthly death in eternity in Heaven with
>>>>>>>> Him.
>>>>>>>> Eastern religions and cults are man-made, and were made up not that
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>>> by people who rejected God, didn't know about Him, or wanted to do
>>>>>>>> things their own way--which, I guess, is the same as rejecting God.
>>>>>>>>>> I am sad for those who believe such nonsense, because their end,
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> matter what they say, will be condemnation to the lake of fire,
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> no relief will be had.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to be harsh or offensive, but that's what the Bible
>>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>> concerning them, and I believe the Bible to be true. It is the
>>>>>>>> inspired
>>>>>> Word
>>>>>>>> of God. All it says will come to pass, if it hasn't already.
>>>>>>>>>> I will not question my beliefs, but will continue to stand on what
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> to be true in the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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