[Faith-talk] Christianity in review.

Fri May 16 18:00:21 UTC 2014

hey, little brother, *smile*

we have been praying for you that God lead you and guide you in your 
quest for answers.

Christian theologians and text critics about the authenticity and 
canonization of scripture.

The difference between protestant, catholic and orthodox canons comes 
from the different backgrounds of each group. The original Hebrew 
canon of hebrew scriptures consisted of 66 books. sgreek-speaking 
jews had a canon consisting of 72 books. when the catholic canon was 
established, they adopted that of the greekspeaking jews of the 
septuagint Bible also used by the orthodox churches. A thousand years 
later, Luther and the other protestant reformers went back to the 
original Hebrew canon of 39 books.

The new testament canon was adopted in the 4th century a.d. and 
consisted of  27 books tho some debate over additional books like the 
letters of clement and some debatestill persists by some Christian 
churches, some in your own country. *smile*

The Old and new testament scriptures say nothing about the Koran 
because it was written and canonized several centuries later. I am 
still waiting to hear your opinion on Lalahl Bagdir's translation of the Quran.

God bless,

Dois in Lutherland

At 06:19 PM 5/16/2014 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear all, peace be with you. Today I would like to inshallah proceed 
>on discussing the concept, the doctrine, or the mystery of the 
>Trinity. I have spoke about it many times before. The further I dive 
>into it, the mysterious it provocatively becomes. Trinitarianism is 
>a derived concept out of a pagan traditionalism. Trinitarian 
>apologists are constantly attempting to formulate any form of 
>disambiguation. But could Trinitarianism  actually be 
>clarified?   Let us analyze that proposition then. Trinitarianism is 
>the somehow belief that God is one, but he somehow reveals himself 
>into three coequal and coeternal persons. The Father, the Son, and 
>the Holy spirit. So God is a triune being, hypostases. They insist 
>to Contemptibly  portray the divine being in such a blasphemous 
>manner. The Christian objection to the concept of monotheism in 
>Islam is rationally refuted. I remember that my friend Pastor Bob 
>has posed the misconception that the concept of God is theoretical 
>in Islam. Well at this point, I want to enthusiastically address the 
>broad phenomenon  of Christianity which is obsessed with temporally 
>portraying the divine being into forcible complex. The dimension 
>here becomes decipherable when they tend to periodically equate the 
>triune being with other temporal objects. But let us now strive to 
>critically analyze what they have somehow proposed. Someone is God, 
>he then has to be transcendent, eminent, omnipotent and glorious. In 
>truthfulness and trustworthiness, do you believe in the Creator as 
>your savior? I believe that I was asked before to talk about the 
>concepts of transcendence and eminence of God in Islam. Well, before 
>I get into that, I may initially define some terms. We have the word 
>transcendence  which signifys the state of being or existence above 
>and beyond the limits of material experience.   Subsequently, it 
>comes the word eminence which signifys the High status importance 
>owing to mark superiority. These two rilmes are chronologically 
>pertained to each other. Can Allah be eminent and transcendent at 
>the same time? For Christians, God deigned to atone them. They 
>consider God incarnates  into human flesh a form of bestowing grace. 
>I constantly constitute my rebuttal by decisively emphasizing that 
>Allah glory be to Him does not need to come down in order to forgive 
>or to bestow His grace. The Christian utterance of God really 
>exasperates me.   It really does because of its turbulent 
>conception. Christian apologists are tremendously reluctant to 
>expose its problematic side. Does the Trinity stand up to scrutiny?, 
>or it just crumbles within rational examinations? I may instantly 
>glance at another aspect of Christianity, and that is the concept of 
>good and evil. Christians asserts that sin is the death of the 
>spiritual perception. They typically advocate that when Adam and Eve 
>sinned, the spiritual death has entered into the world. Well, that 
>sounds quite inconsistent to me. For how come I would 
>inherit  something I have not witnessed nor I have not done.  I just 
>do not see the point here. I also do not see the point of why God 
>cannot just forgive on his own, and that he had to redeem someone 
>who is innocent in order to forgive. Some people here on the faith 
>talk list accused me of insignificant repetition. Well excuse me 
>but, I have not got any of my questions answered properly or 
>convincingly. Though I furthermore believe that my experience in 
>dealing with Christians has emphatically proved their vast 
>vairiation in doctrine. Their doctrines are essentially based on 
>denominational principles, and each denomination has its own 
>tennets. So for instance, when it comes to the Bible, we recognize 
>that the Roman Catholic version consists of 73 books whilst the 
>Protestant version consists of 66 books. Who has omitted these 7 
>books from the Protestant version?, or who added these seven books 
>to the Roman Catholic Bible? Nobody knows.             "And indeed, 
>there is among them a party who distort the Scripture with their 
>tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not 
>from the Scripture. And they say this is from Allah ," but it is not 
>from Allah . And they tell lies about Allah and well they know". The 
>Noble Koran, chapter 3, verse 78. The translation of the Koranic 
>verse above plainly resembles the current condition of these 
>translations you possess. Can you veritably testify that what you 
>possess at the moment represents the precisely divine speech? Even 
>the Trinity which you devote your faith to, it used to be there 
>in.   In one Jhon five verse seven, we can read the following: "For 
>there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, 
>and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". It is exactly written 
>like that in the authorized king James version. But, it does not 
>appear in later English translations. It is  omitted in the revised 
>standard version of the Bible as well as the New international 
>version of the Bible, and they are both belong to Protestant 
>denominations. On that premiss, we can provokingly implement the 
>Koranic disposal regarding the present form of the Bible. The Koran 
>believes in the deliberate alterations of the Bible. Some people 
>though may think of that as offensive or inappropriate.        Well 
>if you think so, you can practically examine what the Koran says 
>about the Bible along with the textual conditions of the current 
>Bible, and see if they match. I am not attempting to disgrace what 
>you embrace. At the same time, the Koran does not denounce the Bible 
>as a revelation from God. What the Koran condemns is actually the 
>textual distortion. By the way, some Christian apologists tell us 
>back that the Koran is corrupted, altered and distorted. Great, 
>quite good. Do you have a biblical reference that somehow supports 
>your proclaimation? I do not say myself that the current form of the 
>Bible is corrupted. It is the Koran that tells me so. When I go to 
>the Bible to critically examine its present formation, I just find 
>exactly what the Koran foretells. I comprehend that Pastor Jones has 
>desecrated the Koran out of envy and detest. He fallaciously taunted 
>the Koran, and he preposterously considers himself somehow 
>associated with Jesus Christ peace be upon him. What a catastrophe. 
>I really believe that burning  the Koran was made out of hate and 
>envy. I want to clearly repose the statement which says that Muslims 
>tend to slander the Bible. I am not attempting to cause a posting 
>riot or disturbance. But the buttomline here is that I can 
>definitely speak about the textual corruption of the Bible, yet the 
>Christian has no valid proposition to try doing that back to me, 
>just because he does not have a convincing response to my 
>theological contentions. If  the Bible does not tell you anything 
>about the Koran, why some Pastors then tend to somehow criticize its 
>context? The belief I hold regarding the Bible is primarily based on 
>the Koranic citations as well as critical examinations of the 
>current text, the current translations of the Bible. I have spoken 
>abundantly today, yet I do not bear to cause  disappointment to 
>anyone. I apologize if my message unintentionally have caused 
>offence or unintended discourtesy. I am held accountable before 
>Allah if I caused any verbal profanity or offensive remarks. I 
>constantly would like to commence strident  arguments on 
>theologically related subjects, and at the same time, I dislike 
>offending people. Well, that is my senior attitude though. That is 
>what I have got for the time being. I am just about to go hangout 
>with some friends. We are having a Barbecue here. Come and join 
>us.   Thank you for reading, I wish you all a pleasant time, and 
>peace be with you. _______________________________________________ 
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