[Faith-talk] Christianity in review.

Fri May 16 20:32:48 UTC 2014

Dear respected couples, thank you so much for your constant
communication with me.

I appreciate your answers.

I just googled that translation of the Qur'an, (Lalahl Bagdir's
translation of the Qur'an), but I couldn't find much information about
it.

I would really appreciate if you come on Skype, so we can discuss all
of these subjects and more.

Skype name is:

mostafa-the-speaker

Thank you so much, God bless you, I so much love and respect both of you.

On 5/16/14, Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net> wrote:
> hey, little brother, *smile*
>
> we have been praying for you that God lead you and guide you in your
> quest for answers.
>
> Christian theologians and text critics about the authenticity and
> canonization of scripture.
>
> The difference between protestant, catholic and orthodox canons comes
> from the different backgrounds of each group. The original Hebrew
> canon of hebrew scriptures consisted of 66 books. sgreek-speaking
> jews had a canon consisting of 72 books. when the catholic canon was
> established, they adopted that of the greekspeaking jews of the
> septuagint Bible also used by the orthodox churches. A thousand years
> later, Luther and the other protestant reformers went back to the
> original Hebrew canon of 39 books.
>
> The new testament canon was adopted in the 4th century a.d. and
> consisted of  27 books tho some debate over additional books like the
> letters of clement and some debatestill persists by some Christian
> churches, some in your own country. *smile*
>
> The Old and new testament scriptures say nothing about the Koran
> because it was written and canonized several centuries later. I am
> still waiting to hear your opinion on Lalahl Bagdir's translation of the
> Quran.
>
> God bless,
>
> Dois in Lutherland
>
>
>
>
> At 06:19 PM 5/16/2014 +0200, you wrote:
>>Dear all, peace be with you. Today I would like to inshallah proceed
>>on discussing the concept, the doctrine, or the mystery of the
>>Trinity. I have spoke about it many times before. The further I dive
>>into it, the mysterious it provocatively becomes. Trinitarianism is
>>a derived concept out of a pagan traditionalism. Trinitarian
>>apologists are constantly attempting to formulate any form of
>>disambiguation. But could Trinitarianism  actually be
>>clarified?   Let us analyze that proposition then. Trinitarianism is
>>the somehow belief that God is one, but he somehow reveals himself
>>into three coequal and coeternal persons. The Father, the Son, and
>>the Holy spirit. So God is a triune being, hypostases. They insist
>>to Contemptibly  portray the divine being in such a blasphemous
>>manner. The Christian objection to the concept of monotheism in
>>Islam is rationally refuted. I remember that my friend Pastor Bob
>>has posed the misconception that the concept of God is theoretical
>>in Islam. Well at this point, I want to enthusiastically address the
>>broad phenomenon  of Christianity which is obsessed with temporally
>>portraying the divine being into forcible complex. The dimension
>>here becomes decipherable when they tend to periodically equate the
>>triune being with other temporal objects. But let us now strive to
>>critically analyze what they have somehow proposed. Someone is God,
>>he then has to be transcendent, eminent, omnipotent and glorious. In
>>truthfulness and trustworthiness, do you believe in the Creator as
>>your savior? I believe that I was asked before to talk about the
>>concepts of transcendence and eminence of God in Islam. Well, before
>>I get into that, I may initially define some terms. We have the word
>>transcendence  which signifys the state of being or existence above
>>and beyond the limits of material experience.   Subsequently, it
>>comes the word eminence which signifys the High status importance
>>owing to mark superiority. These two rilmes are chronologically
>>pertained to each other. Can Allah be eminent and transcendent at
>>the same time? For Christians, God deigned to atone them. They
>>consider God incarnates  into human flesh a form of bestowing grace.
>>I constantly constitute my rebuttal by decisively emphasizing that
>>Allah glory be to Him does not need to come down in order to forgive
>>or to bestow His grace. The Christian utterance of God really
>>exasperates me.   It really does because of its turbulent
>>conception. Christian apologists are tremendously reluctant to
>>expose its problematic side. Does the Trinity stand up to scrutiny?,
>>or it just crumbles within rational examinations? I may instantly
>>glance at another aspect of Christianity, and that is the concept of
>>good and evil. Christians asserts that sin is the death of the
>>spiritual perception. They typically advocate that when Adam and Eve
>>sinned, the spiritual death has entered into the world. Well, that
>>sounds quite inconsistent to me. For how come I would
>>inherit  something I have not witnessed nor I have not done.  I just
>>do not see the point here. I also do not see the point of why God
>>cannot just forgive on his own, and that he had to redeem someone
>>who is innocent in order to forgive. Some people here on the faith
>>talk list accused me of insignificant repetition. Well excuse me
>>but, I have not got any of my questions answered properly or
>>convincingly. Though I furthermore believe that my experience in
>>dealing with Christians has emphatically proved their vast
>>vairiation in doctrine. Their doctrines are essentially based on
>>denominational principles, and each denomination has its own
>>tennets. So for instance, when it comes to the Bible, we recognize
>>that the Roman Catholic version consists of 73 books whilst the
>>Protestant version consists of 66 books. Who has omitted these 7
>>books from the Protestant version?, or who added these seven books
>>to the Roman Catholic Bible? Nobody knows.             "And indeed,
>>there is among them a party who distort the Scripture with their
>>tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not
>>from the Scripture. And they say this is from Allah ," but it is not
>>from Allah . And they tell lies about Allah and well they know". The
>>Noble Koran, chapter 3, verse 78. The translation of the Koranic
>>verse above plainly resembles the current condition of these
>>translations you possess. Can you veritably testify that what you
>>possess at the moment represents the precisely divine speech? Even
>>the Trinity which you devote your faith to, it used to be there
>>in.   In one Jhon five verse seven, we can read the following: "For
>>there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word,
>>and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one". It is exactly written
>>like that in the authorized king James version. But, it does not
>>appear in later English translations. It is  omitted in the revised
>>standard version of the Bible as well as the New international
>>version of the Bible, and they are both belong to Protestant
>>denominations. On that premiss, we can provokingly implement the
>>Koranic disposal regarding the present form of the Bible. The Koran
>>believes in the deliberate alterations of the Bible. Some people
>>though may think of that as offensive or inappropriate.        Well
>>if you think so, you can practically examine what the Koran says
>>about the Bible along with the textual conditions of the current
>>Bible, and see if they match. I am not attempting to disgrace what
>>you embrace. At the same time, the Koran does not denounce the Bible
>>as a revelation from God. What the Koran condemns is actually the
>>textual distortion. By the way, some Christian apologists tell us
>>back that the Koran is corrupted, altered and distorted. Great,
>>quite good. Do you have a biblical reference that somehow supports
>>your proclaimation? I do not say myself that the current form of the
>>Bible is corrupted. It is the Koran that tells me so. When I go to
>>the Bible to critically examine its present formation, I just find
>>exactly what the Koran foretells. I comprehend that Pastor Jones has
>>desecrated the Koran out of envy and detest. He fallaciously taunted
>>the Koran, and he preposterously considers himself somehow
>>associated with Jesus Christ peace be upon him. What a catastrophe.
>>I really believe that burning  the Koran was made out of hate and
>>envy. I want to clearly repose the statement which says that Muslims
>>tend to slander the Bible. I am not attempting to cause a posting
>>riot or disturbance. But the buttomline here is that I can
>>definitely speak about the textual corruption of the Bible, yet the
>>Christian has no valid proposition to try doing that back to me,
>>just because he does not have a convincing response to my
>>theological contentions. If  the Bible does not tell you anything
>>about the Koran, why some Pastors then tend to somehow criticize its
>>context? The belief I hold regarding the Bible is primarily based on
>>the Koranic citations as well as critical examinations of the
>>current text, the current translations of the Bible. I have spoken
>>abundantly today, yet I do not bear to cause  disappointment to
>>anyone. I apologize if my message unintentionally have caused
>>offence or unintended discourtesy. I am held accountable before
>>Allah if I caused any verbal profanity or offensive remarks. I
>>constantly would like to commence strident  arguments on
>>theologically related subjects, and at the same time, I dislike
>>offending people. Well, that is my senior attitude though. That is
>>what I have got for the time being. I am just about to go hangout
>>with some friends. We are having a Barbecue here. Come and join
>>us.   Thank you for reading, I wish you all a pleasant time, and
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