[Faith-talk] The Bible and the Law.

Tue May 27 19:12:35 UTC 2014

Brandon, I find this rather contradicting.

So that means it abrogates what Jesus uttered in Matthew five seventeen.

The Book of Acts is historically attributed to the Pauline authorship.

And from other scholarly perspectives, it is proposed that the
attested authorship of Acts is broadly controversial.

Emphatically, the book of Acts was written after the ascension of
Jesus to his Lord.

So does it mean that Paul or whoever the initial author was, does it
mean they authoritatively abrogate what Jesus said he came to conform?

And what kind of voice that revealingly spoke to Peter?

Was not Christ is the one who suppose to divinely abrogate the
restrictions of the mosaic law?

I suppose that the subject demands additional illustrations, yet it
encourages me to critically reexamine the relationship between the
mosaic creed and what Jesus came with.

I do not actually believe that there are different covenants, but they
rather are different creeds, different codes of law.

On 5/27/14, Brandon Olivares <programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mostafa,
>
> You will find this passage interesting:
>
> Acts 10:9-16
>
> 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching
> the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted
> something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a
> trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let
> down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed
> animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up,
> Peter. Kill and eat."
>
> 14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or
> unclean."
>
> 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that
> God has made clean."
>
> 16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to
> heaven.
>
> Christians believe that God made all animals clean, so the dietary
> restrictions no longer apply.
>
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> On May 27, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Mostafa Almahdy via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks, just a quick note to mention.
>>
>> I was recently debating a Pastor over the laws of the Pentateuch and
>> how juristically they pertain to the contemporary practices of
>> Christianity, and in the west in particular.
>>
>> In the New testament writings, and in Matthew five seventeen to be
>> further precise, Jesus explicitly states that he did not come to
>> abolish the law nor the prophets, but to rather fulfill them.
>>
>> In Christian tradition of the west today, we see many Christians
>> plainly  discrediting or abrogating   the dietary adherence, they
>> claim it belongs to the Jews, and they do not eat Kosher, they eat
>> pork, some of them notoriously drink, and they even deal with usury.
>>
>> Are the dietary  laws religiously obselete according to the scriptural
>> parameters?
>>
>> Christians today based largely on their pastoral advocacy  at the
>> Church are predominantly influenced by what they mostly derive and
>> interpret to them.
>>
>> Does the Bible explicitly prohibit the swine?
>>
>> I am aware of multiple Coptics here in Egypt who would never even
>> approach the pork.
>>
>> They also refrain from all intoxicants here.
>>
>> So if the Bible forbids the swine, intoxications, and usury, why we do
>> not find that complied to in dominantly western Christian
>> denominations?
>>
>> I find them here more dietary  observers than what they are in the
>> western world.
>>
>> Is there any specific reasons for that?
>>
>> Could that be due to cultural influence?
>>
>> I am not trying to based my own comprehension as the licit conclusion.
>>
>> I am just attempting to fathom the substantial phenomenon.
>>
>> I apologize for being uncomplimentary.
>>
>> I  see Christians  vastly diverse in their theological creeds, let
>> alone what they practice, so I am trying to find a valid justification
>> for that.
>>
>> Thanks and best regards.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On 5/27/14, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks to both of you, Rob and Debby.
>>>
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>>> On 5/27/14, Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: debby phillips via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:41 PM
>>>> To: Mostafa ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion ;
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Perennial Rampage.
>>>>
>>>> Hello! Wow, I am very much in agreement with much of what you
>>>> have written here.  The problem here is that there are people in
>>>> our country who are totally opposed to any kind of gun control at
>>>> all.  They anger me because although there are other ways of
>>>> killing people like stabbing and such, semi-automatic guns are
>>>> not necessary for people to have.  Why does someone need an
>>>> AK-47? Or an Uzi, or whatever.  Ah, but I shouldn't get started
>>>> with this.  I am sure that there will be people here who have
>>>> different opinions, and this list probably isn't the best vehicle
>>>> for this discussion.  But we can pray for those who have lost
>>>> loved ones in Santa Barbara, and also in South Carolina (there
>>>> was a shooting there as well).    Blessings,    Debby
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