[Faith-talk] The Bible and the Law.

Tue May 27 20:19:44 UTC 2014

Hello Mustafa, good observation, but Jesus did fulfill the law and in doing
so created a new covenant and that is why we even have the old testament and
the new testament, it is the old covenant and the new covenant. The Bible is
full of covenants and once covenant theology is studied then these elements
of Christianity can be better understood. Where the covenant with Moses was
one under the law, the New covenant that is more like the Covenant with
Abraham is a covenant of Grace that is by faith and not an adherence to
dietary and ceremonial laws. 

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
Almahdy via Faith-talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:29 AM
To: Rob Kaiser
Cc: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: [Faith-talk] The Bible and the Law.

Hey folks, just a quick note to mention.

I was recently debating a Pastor over the laws of the Pentateuch and how
juristically they pertain to the contemporary practices of Christianity, and
in the west in particular.

In the New testament writings, and in Matthew five seventeen to be further
precise, Jesus explicitly states that he did not come to abolish the law nor
the prophets, but to rather fulfill them.

In Christian tradition of the west today, we see many Christians
plainly  discrediting or abrogating   the dietary adherence, they
claim it belongs to the Jews, and they do not eat Kosher, they eat pork,
some of them notoriously drink, and they even deal with usury.

Are the dietary  laws religiously obselete according to the scriptural
parameters?

Christians today based largely on their pastoral advocacy  at the Church are
predominantly influenced by what they mostly derive and interpret to them.

Does the Bible explicitly prohibit the swine?

I am aware of multiple Coptics here in Egypt who would never even approach
the pork.

They also refrain from all intoxicants here.

So if the Bible forbids the swine, intoxications, and usury, why we do not
find that complied to in dominantly western Christian denominations?

I find them here more dietary  observers than what they are in the western
world.

Is there any specific reasons for that?

Could that be due to cultural influence?

I am not trying to based my own comprehension as the licit conclusion.

I am just attempting to fathom the substantial phenomenon.

I apologize for being uncomplimentary.

I  see Christians  vastly diverse in their theological creeds, let alone
what they practice, so I am trying to find a valid justification for that.

Thanks and best regards.

On 5/27/14, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to both of you, Rob and Debby.
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> On 5/27/14, Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Good point.
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>> From: debby phillips via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:41 PM
>> To: Mostafa ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion ; 
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>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Perennial Rampage.
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>> Hello! Wow, I am very much in agreement with much of what you have 
>> written here.  The problem here is that there are people in our 
>> country who are totally opposed to any kind of gun control at all.  
>> They anger me because although there are other ways of killing people 
>> like stabbing and such, semi-automatic guns are not necessary for 
>> people to have.  Why does someone need an AK-47? Or an Uzi, or 
>> whatever.  Ah, but I shouldn't get started with this.  I am sure that 
>> there will be people here who have different opinions, and this list 
>> probably isn't the best vehicle for this discussion.  But we can pray 
>> for those who have lost loved ones in Santa Barbara, and also in 
>> South Carolina (there
>> was a shooting there as well).    Blessings,    Debby
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