[Faith-talk] The Bible and the Law.

Wed May 28 13:16:50 UTC 2014

Very true, just as the Jews saw the redeeming Christ and the military conquering Christ as different people. Jesus was both, redeeming the world and conquering sin and death by enduring neither. Yes his body died on the cross, but he didn't remain dead. So maybe we should look at things in that way, examining things from all angels and viewpoints.

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> On May 28, 2014, at 7:53, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Oh this is such an interesting discussion.  Because Jesus was sinless he could completely live in a way which fullfilled every part of the law, and yet He broke every part of the law at the same time.  How could He fullfill and break at the same time?  Because He is everything.  So often as people debate they say "This way is right" when looking at a certain passage and then say "No this way is right" and somehow in Him they are both right as you look from different angles.  So in keeping the law which is just a word for teaching, a word meaning the TorahJesus most likely didn't eat pork because it would have offended but on the other hand He saidMat 15:11 Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man but that which comes out So as it says in COlossians He is all in all and holds everything together.
> Maureen
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> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:02 AM
> To: Mostafa Almahdy ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Bible and the Law.
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> Mostafa,
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> I think you are quite right here. Jesus himself said he did not come to replace the law:
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> Matthew 5:17-18
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> 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
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> Make of it what you will.
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> Not to be crass, but perhaps Peter just really wanted some pork. :)
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>> On May 28, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Mostafa Almahdy via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hello.
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>> I appreciate everyone trying to explain.
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>> You all sound genuine in your attempts to express your point, and I
>> quite appreciate that.
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>> Let us not forget that the text of Matthew is uttered by Jesus, whilst
>> the text of acts is uttered by others.
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>> My question to Brandon was, can somebody else abrogate what Jesus said
>> he comes to fulfill?
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>> I want now to comment on the point that sister Linda articulated,
>> because it is a quite interesting one.
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>> Thank you so much Linda for conveying your contribution, I really appreciate it.
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>> I believe I competently comprehend English.
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>> I never heard of  replace being the synonym of fulfill.
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>> I am not sure though, do we write  English properly here?
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>> Fulfill is interpreted as replace?
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>> I am afraid but I believe that such interpretation is lingually incorrect.
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>> It does not work from even the metaphorical standpoint.
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>> Fulfillment is to bring an action into completion and fruition.
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>> Whilst replacement is the permutation of something by what equates it
>> in either its value or significance.
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>> Without being offensive, but I think we need to interpret things in
>> according to the common sense.
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>> I never claimed I am expert in the Bible.
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>> I am just countenancing my rational standards to determine the
>> sequential relationship among concepts and their based statements.
>> 
>> If the Mosaic laws were abrogated by the teachings of Jesus, does that
>> include the condemnation and the decisively prescribed penalty of
>> lapidation regarding the trespass of homosexuality?
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>> So to be really crystal clear;
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>> Is that dietary tradition which is abrogated or the whole covenant?
>> 
>> I believe we have instigated  a valuable scrutiny, and I am certainly
>> intrigued to carry on.
>> 
>> I so much enjoy and I quite benefit from constantly interacting on the
>> faith talk list.
>> 
>> I attentively follow the daily articles of brother Paul, and I learn
>> quite a lot from the well written essays he posts.
>> 
>> I like the level of English he uses there.
>> 
>> I have been a member of the  list since last August.
>> 
>> I have been tremendously exposed to the Christian devotion and
>> earnestness about their faith.
>> 
>> I believe we will continue to wholeheartedly disagree on the core of
>> what we believe.
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>> I hope we continue to do so, whilst showing empathy, honor and respect
>> to each other.
>> 
>> I suggest that we may schedule  a regular meeting on Skype, in which
>> we can discuss faith related subjects.
>> 
>> We may seek for mutually agreed upon subjects to begin with.
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>> I am sure we can think of many.
>> 
>> It is faith that brought us together.
>> 
>> Thank you.
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>> Peace, blessings, and much respect from me.
>> 
>> Mostafa.
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>>> On 5/28/14, debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi! Well, you make some interesting points.  First of all, in the
>>> Acts of the Apostles, Peter has a vision where he is told to eat
>>> of all that is shone him.  (I'm paraphrasing).  He says, I can't
>>> do that, I've never eaten anything unclean.  He has the vision a
>>> couple more times.  Then Peter is told by the Lord that there are
>>> people waiting for him, Gentiles.  At that time, Jews were not
>>> supposed to even enter the house of a Gentile.  Then, as Paul
>>> begins preaching to the Gentiles, it comes down to the first
>>> Church Council and the decision is that Gentiles do not need to
>>> follow Jewish law, dietary or otherwise.  You can head all of
>>> this in Chapter 15 of Acts, also in Galatians where Paul tells
>>> the Gentiles not to let the Judaizers, (that is, those Jewish
>>> Christians who think that they need to make all Christians follow
>>> Jewish Law) from destroying them.  That's the beginning, I would
>>> say.  I'm sure POPPA Bear or someone will articulate this much
>>> better.    Peace,    Debby
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