[Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 00:52:37 UTC 2014

I believe that Halloween is the new name for Samhain in the Old Religion. 

Halloween is a shortening of "All Hallow's Eve" or the day before All Hallow' Day (now known as All Saints' Day).

This is just like Christmas is the shortening of Christ's Mass.

In the Old Religion Samhain was a harvest & fertility celebration & the beginning of the New Year.

I believe most if not all of our Christian traditions are rooted in pagan celebrations.

This goes back to he Romans. When Julius Cesar conquered a people he allowed them to keep their gods as long as they erected a temple to him.

The Catholic Church used these same tactics when evangelizing. The church let people keep their holidays / traditions as long as they also worshiped Christ. Over time the lines blurred.

And Kendra, I am sorry to tell you,  but know matter how good you are / what good works you may do in life you cannot earn your salvation. 

Christ tells us that none can come to the Father but through me (John14:6).

And Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8-9 that salvation is a free gift from God not by works so no one may boast. 

So Ms. Kendra if you would be able to to find a cure for cancer & thus save millions of people you would not be destined for eternity with God if you did not believe in Him & follow Him while here on earth.

Any question please email me -- dianel12003 at yahoo.com

Diane Harris

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 7:27 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What?  Okay R J, I'm super confused. You've lost me completely. What does
> Halloween and New Years Eve have to do with each other?
> 
> 
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> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ
> Sandefur via Faith-talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:24 PM
> To: Kendra Schafer; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
> 
> Kendra, Halloween is new years eve. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kendra Schafer via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Andrew" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith
> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
> 
> 
>> Hi all!
>> That is an interesting question! It's like asking a Pagan who 
>> celebrates Easter the same question. I think that what Holliday a 
>> person choses to celebrates is up to them to decide. I have celebrated 
>> Christmas, Easter and Halloween for my whole life. Yes, even before I 
>> knew what a Pagan or a Christian was. I still celebrate those 
>> hollidays along with the other Pagan and American hollidays. Most of 
>> my Christian friends celebrate Halloween even though they call it 
>> Harvist instead. One Christian friend won't celebrate Halloween but 
>> she does celebrate the equanoxes and solstices. One friend will celebrate
> the seasons when we see each other.
>> With all of that said, recognize what Halloween stands for and respect 
>> those who celebrate Halloween. Pagans have celebrated the seasons for 
>> melenia in many different ways. We even tought the Christians how to 
>> party. Look at the history of Christmas and Easter. They both have 
>> strong Pagan roots. Many Pagans still celebrate Easter, Christmas and
> Halloween.
>> Kendra
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Andrew via Faith-talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>>> 
>>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will 
>>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be 
>>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th 
>>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer 
>>> on October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>>> 
>>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all 
>>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in 
>>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed 
>>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws 
>>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the 
>>> spirit world to intermingle with the living.
>>> 
>>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the 
>>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their 
>>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in 
>>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the 
>>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten 
>>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>>> 
>>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the 
>>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some 
>>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as 
>>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The 
>>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our 
>>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of 
>>> the practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As 
>>> belief in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like 
>>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>>> 
>>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish 
>>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the 
>>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and 
>>> unhinging fence gates.
>>> 
>>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All 
>>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints 
>>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of 
>>> All Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints" 
>>> both mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween 
>>> means "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>>> 
>>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the 
>>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in 
>>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about 
>>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all 
>>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose 
>>> God and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians 
>>> should NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>>> 
>>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this 
>>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide 
>>> in our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in 
>>> the basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a 
>>> Christian be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a 
>>> bold call to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won 
>>> for Christ than on Halloween.
>>> 
>>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON 
>>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND 
>>> LORD OF LORDS!!!
>>> 
>>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>> 
>>> Bill Keller
>>> 
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