[Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 02:07:09 UTC 2014

oh I see. that's why someone called it new year's eve. It’s the celtic new 
year.
I wonder if the celts still celebrate it as a new year? this is the first 
I've heard this one.

So, in other words different ethnic groups view halloween differently.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kendra Schafer via Faith-talk
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:48 PM
To: justin williams ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Hi all! Halloween is the eve of the Celtic new year. Quite different than 
our new year.
Kendra

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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:27 PM, justin williams via Faith-talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> What?  Okay R J, I'm super confused. You've lost me completely. What does
> Halloween and New Years Eve have to do with each other?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ
> Sandefur via Faith-talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:24 PM
> To: Kendra Schafer; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>
> Kendra, Halloween is new years eve. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kendra Schafer via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Andrew" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of 
> faith
> and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>
>
>> Hi all!
>> That is an interesting question! It's like asking a Pagan who
>> celebrates Easter the same question. I think that what Holliday a
>> person choses to celebrates is up to them to decide. I have celebrated
>> Christmas, Easter and Halloween for my whole life. Yes, even before I
>> knew what a Pagan or a Christian was. I still celebrate those
>> hollidays along with the other Pagan and American hollidays. Most of
>> my Christian friends celebrate Halloween even though they call it
>> Harvist instead. One Christian friend won't celebrate Halloween but
>> she does celebrate the equanoxes and solstices. One friend will celebrate
> the seasons when we see each other.
>> With all of that said, recognize what Halloween stands for and respect
>> those who celebrate Halloween. Pagans have celebrated the seasons for
>> melenia in many different ways. We even tought the Christians how to
>> party. Look at the history of Christmas and Easter. They both have
>> strong Pagan roots. Many Pagans still celebrate Easter, Christmas and
> Halloween.
>> Kendra
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Andrew via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>>>
>>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will
>>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be
>>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th
>>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer
>>> on October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>>>
>>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all
>>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in
>>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed
>>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws
>>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the
>>> spirit world to intermingle with the living.
>>>
>>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the
>>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their
>>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in
>>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the
>>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten
>>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>>>
>>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the
>>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some
>>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as
>>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The
>>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our
>>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of
>>> the practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As
>>> belief in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like
>>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>>>
>>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish
>>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the
>>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and
>>> unhinging fence gates.
>>>
>>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All
>>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints
>>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of
>>> All Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints"
>>> both mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween
>>> means "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>>>
>>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the
>>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in
>>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about
>>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all
>>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose
>>> God and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians
>>> should NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>>>
>>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this
>>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide
>>> in our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in
>>> the basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a
>>> Christian be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a
>>> bold call to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won
>>> for Christ than on Halloween.
>>>
>>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON
>>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND
>>> LORD OF LORDS!!!
>>>
>>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>>
>>> Bill Keller
>>>
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