[Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two

Sun Oct 19 13:02:23 UTC 2014

Hi and if we are staying to blindness related posts then posts like
the quotes from paul shouln't be here in my opinion as it has nothing
to do with blindness that is what i think of when i think of nfb
lists.  although that is up to the list owner.  as if people reply to
his quotes that can make trafic to.  also if there is a post any one
of us does not want to read we can use the good old delete key and
pass it by.

On 10/19/14, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi
> Actually that wasn't when I was talking about or thinking of when I sent the
> question, because I understood it is a list for all faiths, but rather it is
> for things related to faith and access because of blindness and I would like
> a list more like what I posted.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donna Elliott via Faith-talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:31 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>
> Does anyone else miss when this list was about faith rather than
> disagreements?  Donna
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure what you mean by "supposed". The Christmas tree is a Pagan
>> symbol. No debating that. What you think about that fact is the only
>> question.
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:56 PM, qubit via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Excuse me, but you sound like the people who quote some supposed history
>>> of
>>> the Christmas tree as a pagan symbol.  I think while some people
>>> gravitate
>>> toward ghoulish costumes on halloween, I thinkthe majority dress up like
>>> anything or anyone they want just for something entertaining to do.  For
>>> example, I saw a tv reporter ask a policeman in NY whose idea it was for
>>> him
>>> to dress up like a policeman for halloween...He laughed and said my
>>> boss".
>>> I had a friend dress like a giant crayon.  I I have dressed like a lot of
>>> things just for fun.
>>> I am not a satan worshipper.  I think that is kind of creepy.  But lots
>>> of
>>> Christians have fun dressing up and eating treats on halloween.  The only
>>> complaint I have is that it has the word "hallow" in the word, which
>>> implies
>>> something holy, which it is not.
>>> Is someone going to bite me for having pleasant childhood memories of
>>> halloween?
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andrew via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Faith-talk" <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] halow wean part one of two
>>>
>>>
>>> Halloween - Part 1 of 2
>>>
>>> Should Christians celebrate Halloween? No! What the world will
>>> celebrate on October 31 is not anything that a Christian should be
>>> part of. The origin of what we know of as Halloween began in 5th
>>> century B.C., Celtic Ireland as a holiday marking the end of summer on
>>> October 31 known as Samhein (sow-en).
>>>
>>> The pagan Celts believed on that day, the disembodied spirits of all
>>> those who had died throughout the preceding year would come back in
>>> search of living bodies to possess for the next year. It was believed
>>> to be their only hope for the afterlife. The Celts believed all laws
>>> of space and time were suspended during this time, allowing the spirit
>>> world to intermingle with the living.
>>>
>>> Naturally, the still living did not want to be possessed. So on the
>>> night of October 31, villagers would extinguish the fires in their
>>> homes, to make them cold and undesirable. They would then dress up in
>>> all manner of ghoulish costumes and noisily paraded around the
>>> neighborhood, being as destructive as possible in order to frighten
>>> away spirits looking for bodies to possess.
>>>
>>> The Romans adopted the Celtic practices as their own. But in the
>>> first century A.D., Samhain was assimilated into celebrations of some
>>> of the other Roman traditions that took place in October, such as
>>> their day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The
>>> symbol of Pomona is the apple, which might explain the origin of our
>>> modern tradition of bobbing for apples on Halloween. The thrust of the
>>> practices also changed over time to become more ritualized. As belief
>>> in spirit possession waned, the practice of dressing up like
>>> hobgoblins, ghosts, and witches took on a more ceremonial role.
>>>
>>> The custom of Halloween was brought to America in the 1840's by Irish
>>> immigrants fleeing their country's potato famine. At that time, the
>>> favorite pranks in New England included tipping over outhouses and
>>> unhinging fence gates.
>>>
>>> Since the eighth century, the Catholic Church has celebrated All
>>> Saints' Day on November 1 to celebrate the known and unknown Saints
>>> whom the Church has canonized. The night before the celebration of All
>>> Saint's Day is known as All Hallow's Eve ("Hallows" mean "saints" both
>>> mean "holy ones" as in "Hallowed be thy name"). So, Halloween means
>>> "the evening before All Saint's Day."
>>>
>>> You can see from the pagan roots of Halloween why this has become the
>>> most important day to those who worship satan or choose to live in
>>> rebellion to God and the TRUTH of His Word. There is NOTHING about
>>> this day that honors God, remembers God, or has anything to do at all
>>> with God. It is, quite honestly, a celebration of those who oppose God
>>> and all that He stands for. THIS is why it's a day Christians should
>>> NOT celebrate nor be part of in any way.
>>>
>>> I love you and care about you so much. Tomorrow, Part Two of this
>>> series is titled, "A Christian's Response to Halloween." Do we hide in
>>> our homes with the lights off? Do we all go to church and hide in the
>>> basement so the devil doesn't get us? What exactly should a Christian
>>> be doing on Halloween? I will give you a hint. It will be a bold call
>>> to action. I can think of no better night to see souls won for Christ
>>> than on Halloween.
>>>
>>> DO NOT MISS PART TWO TOMORROW AS WE CELEBRATE A NEW HOLIDAY ON
>>> OCTOBER 31ST THAT WILL HONOR JESUS CHRIST, THE KING OF KINGS, AND LORD
>>> OF LORDS!!!
>>>
>>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>>
>>> Bill Keller
>>>
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