[Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts

Sun Oct 19 22:01:43 UTC 2014

I agree, I think she did.
Also, with all due respect,
I see no love in people constantly trying to give you your sight back.
I mean if you want it that's one thing but I think everyone who comes
up to you with that kinda thing is doing it out of pity.
And pity is a toxic form of love if you ask me.

On 10/19/14, justin williams via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It feels like she betrayed the Blind, but I don't know; maybe she didn't.
>
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> Bear via Faith-talk
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:24 PM
> To: 'Andrew'; 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts
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> I believe that the possibility of regaining sight can be an unknown factor,
> a catch 22. I knew a woman who was a believer, worked at the local center
> for the blind, had a gentle way about her and had been blind for about
> twenty years. She was able to undergo a minor surgery that gave her site
> back in both of her eyes. Here is the thing, after she got her sight back
> she never came back to the center for the blind or stayed in contact with
> the staff there, she went back to life as a sited person and that was it,
> boom just like that it was like she had never been part of a blind
> community.
>
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> via Faith-talk
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:22 AM
> To: Christine Olivares; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and
> religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts
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> I have been praid for to one time in the summer somebody came to my parents
> claming that i am going to see soon and things like that blindness can be a
> struggle for me my parents and i have disagreements on what i can and can't
> do but sometimes these types of discussions with my dad for example end up
> not ending the right way like we end up yelling at each other and  they
> basically go no where at all. and the discussion that was had was based on
> living arrangemence and things like that he was acting as if i can't live
> on
> my own and i told him blind people have their own appartments and things
> like that and he kept saying you need assisted living pretty much things
> like that.
>
> On 10/19/14, Christine Olivares via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> I agree with Maurine that miracles do happen today. I am a big
>> believer in the laying on of hands, however when I do it for people, I
>> ask them what they would like prayer for. So if I do see someone blind
>> or crippled or whatever, I don't assume they want physical healing
>> unless they specifically say so. I believe in the movement of the Holy
>> Spirit, so if I am led to pray for people I do, but I always take them
>> into consideration first and ask what they would like prayer for.
>>
>> As for physical healing, I am not attached whether I am or not. Sure,
>> I will ask for it from time to time, but I am not attached to the
>> results. it's more of a "why not?" kind of thing, and if someone does
>> want to pray for me I do allow it but I also grew up with it so it
>> doesn't make me feel uncomfortable because they are just showing love.
>> However, if they are doing it out of pity that is another story.
>>
>> there are times I wish my glaucoma were healed, but not because of the
>> site but because of the perpetual pain I am in all the time, meaning
>> physical pain feeling the pressure behind my eyes. Surgery hasn't
>> really helped as sit should have.
>>
>> I do not believe in the ideas of Christian Scientists. All I know is
>> they don't believe in doctors, and doctors have helped me a lot. I
>> think a combination of medical and spiritual is the way to go. You
>> can't have one without the other in my opinion. I mean, the book of
>> Ecclesiastes says to go see a doctor, in so many words, so God must
>> have a
> plan for doctors.
>>
>> God bless,
>> Christine
>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree Jorge. Blindness is not something to be cured. If we see it
>>> as something that is wrong with us, then we can't really make as much
>>> of our lives as we can. I've been blind since the age of 4, and am
>>> perfectly happy as I am.
>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Jorge Paez via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:faith-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I for one dont want my sight back, and i find it extremely annoying
>>>> when people want to pray for God to give me sight as if there was
>>>> anything wrong with being blind.
>>>> No thank you, God made me this way and i am happy being blind and
>>>> dont feel like I missed anything.
>>>> Sorry about the rant, but when blind or cited Christians start
>>>> talking about "" getting cured "", it ticks me off to no end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:50 AM, Maureen Pranghofer via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Personally I believe Jesus still heals though we don't see many
>>>>> healings of blind people here, however He is still doing it in
>>>>> other countries. I know of a missionary to India who prayed for a
>>>>> guy born with no eyes in India, the blind man was not a believer.
>>>>> Nothing happened.  But the next day he woke up seeing perfectly.
>>>>> Because of that he believed in the Savior.  And so I sometimes ask
>>>>> for this and sometimes I feel I get glimpses of things though it is
>>>>> not
> physical.
>>>>> As for Christian Science a friend of mine, well her parents were
>>>>> strong believers and the only thing I knew of them is that they did
>>>>> not believe in doctors at all.
>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: qubit via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 1:12 AM
>>>>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] healing, blindness and other thoughts
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else played the mental game of wondering if your vision
>>>>> loss or improvement carries some message from God?  Probably
>>>>> everyone who has lost vision gradually over many years has prayed
>>>>> for more sight, or no more loss.
>>>>> Something about sight carries a spiritual message in some passages
>>>>> of scripture.  I can't remember the verses any more. But I think
>>>>> second-guessing what changes in your vision mean (if there is a
>>>>> meaning) is a futile activity.
>>>>> Sorry.  I should look up the quote but I don't have it handy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone read "Science and Health and Key to the Scriptures"?
>>>>> Someone recommended it to me. I know nothing about Christian
>>>>> Science.  Anyone have experience with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just curious.  I've long since been resigned to being blind the
>>>>> rest of my life, but there's always things to learn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse the ramble.
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
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