[Faith-talk] Church experiences

[Rob Kaiser]

I understand where you are coming from. As far as shopping, for years I have 
either had groceries delivered or I go & et get assistance from the store. 
Also, my fiance who is sighted helps with this as well. As far as the time 
it takes for church activities, the minister told me that most of the people 
in the church are over 80 so your theory about a dying church is most likely 
correct.





Rob Kaiser
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Debbie Brown via Faith-talk
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 10:22 AM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
Cc: Debbie Brown
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences

   You are possibly in a dying congregation, and I don't think you should be
afraid to talk to the leadership and warn them that there is a problem.  If
they are not willing to go the extra 5-10 minutes out of their way to get
you, they are probably not doing much other service either.  Many of the
churches in America are generally going in that direction.  I expect to meet
the people from Adrijana's church in heaven, and a lot of people from Africa
and South America--and, unless things change, not quite so many Americans.

Having said that, I think we need to be careful about how we ask for help we
may need.  We should try to estimate how much time our activities will take,
and we should cut down on the need for shopping assistance by making the
stores provide the services the ADA says they are supposed to provide.

Debbie Brown


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Cc: "Rob Kaiser" <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences


> good morning all: Before I moved to Victorville, & when I 1st came out to 
> Socal in 1991, I have been active in 2 churches. One was in Costa Mesa & 
> the other was in Orange. In both cases, I had several people willing to 
> help me get to & from church as well as choir rehearsals & other church 
> events. Also, many of the church communities went the extra mile if I 
> needed mail read or to go grocery shopping ETC. Also, in both churches, I 
> liked what I heard from the various ministers & I also enjoyed singing 
> God's praises both in the choir & when I did church solos. This is why I 
> cannot believe the problem I'm having here in victorville just to get to 
> church on sundays. Perhaps as I said yesterday the times they are a 
> changing.  I get the feeling people just don't want to go the extra mile 
> any more.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rob Kaiser
> hm#(442)242-7044
> email;
> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 8:27 AM
> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
> Cc: Poppa Bear
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>
> Hello Greg, I was talking strictly in regards to attending the physical
> location of the Church building because that seemed to be the specific
> direction of the original message. Apart from that, I agree with your view
> on the importance of Church community. I am open to hear people's views on
> their Church community experiences outside of the Church. In my case, I
> don't have a lot of interactions with people outside of my Church most of
> the time. I do look for opportunities to develop relationships with other
> Christians whenever I meet them and I try to be mindful that I myself am a
> member of the universal Church every day and no matter who I am with or
> where I am at.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Aikens via Faith-talk
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:15 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Greg Aikens
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>
> Hi Poppa Bear,
> Unless I misunderstand you, I disagree with you. Certainly the church
> service only lasts a few hours a week and can be considered a small slice 
> of
> the pie, but when I think of being part of a church, I am thinking of 
> being
> a part of a church community. I think having a strong, loving, church
> community around you is vital for walking out your faith. Some churches I
> have attended did not place a high value or emphasis on this kind of
> community and I often struggled to feel connected and part of the church
> body, even when I had consistent transportation. When I needed to find a 
> new
> source of transportation because my friends moved away, I felt even less a
> part of the community as I struggled to find someone who was willing to 
> give
> me a ride. These experiences were painful, discouraging, and hindered my
> walk with God as I grew resentful.
>
> On the other hand, I have attended churches, like my current church, that
> place a high emphasis on community and living out your faith with other
> believers. I spend much more time with people from my church during the 
> week
> and rarely struggle to find a ride. The first time I visited, I used uber 
> to
> get to church. Without my asking or mentioning, someone offered me a ride
> home and to go watch the game after church.  I am part of the community 
> and
> often have to turn down offers of a ride to church because someone beat 
> them
> to it. It is a much different experience and it has made a tremendous
> difference in my spiritual life to have others to walk out my faith with, 
> to
> encourage and be encouraged by, etc. .
>
> All that to say, having a good church community goes a lot farther in my
> mind than just a few hours a week. It can be difficult to find this kind 
> of
> community, particularly with transportation issues, but those churches do
> exist and it is possible for us as blind people to participate fully.
>
> Best,
> Greg
>
>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rob, remember that Church is only one slice of the pie, a few
>> hours a week at the most, it's the other slices that I imagine we all
>> have even more struggles with.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 12:04 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Rob Kaiser
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> I'm glad Papa Bear that church is going well for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Kaiser
>> hm#(442)242-7044
>> email;
>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 9:12 PM
>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>> Cc: Poppa Bear
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> Thanks Justin, hang in there.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> justin williams via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 8:06 PM
>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'
>> Cc: justin williams
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> thumbs up to you then old bear.  I'm glad you have that.
>> Justin.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Poppa Bear via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 12:02 AM
>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> Over all I have no complaints about my Church. I am usually just
>> thrilled to have a place to worship. I have spent a lot of time
>> encountering stories and testimonies of those around the world who
>> face so much persecution, have to fellowship in secret, walk 6 hours
>> to gather with other believers, and face prison or worse if caught
>> with even a portion of the Bible. This being the case, if I can sit in
>> a pew, where people are singing, reading the Bible, praying and
>> preaching the Gospel I am feeling pretty good. I typically don't have
>> any problems getting to any of the services or related studies, this
>> Saturday the men's breakfast and bible study starts up for the winter
>> through spring and after this weekend's class I will go to a two hour
> class about getting involved in the prison ministry.
>> Well, I hope everyone can find a bright spot in their valley's.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 3:45 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Rob Kaiser
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> I guess what all of this menas is that with the world like it is today
>> people are getting more carsious about wantig to help handycapped
>> individuals.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Kaiser
>> hm#(442)242-7044
>> email;
>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: justin williams via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 4:40 PM
>> To: 'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'
>> Cc: justin williams
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> Mine has been very up and down, on the whole, more down than up.  So
>> much so recently, that I can't even get my self excited about attending a
> church.
>> I go to Bahaii events; they seem to be more accepting for the most part.
>> I also go to workshops and events related to spirituality.
>> That church business with inclusion and transportation seems to be not
>> worth the trouble.
>>
>> Justin.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Maria S via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 6:51 PM
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>> Cc: Maria S <raynbo15 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> I've had good and bad experiences. My church here locally is very
>> small and so they are very inclusive and I'm welcome to participate in
>> whatever I want. When I moved for a job, I tried to be involved, but
>> no matter how hard I tried I was always sort of left in the corner.
>> They were very friendly so it was hard. I hope I can find a good
>> church when I move soon.
>>
>> Maria
>>
>> On 9/6/15, Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Since I moved up here to Victorville, I have had a not-so-good church
>>> experience: I wanted  to join the choir but because of the lac of
>>> public and
>>>
>>> pera transit up here,  I needed rides to and from church. Not a one
>>> person has come forward to help  me in this endever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Kaiser
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>>> email;
>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:24 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>
>>> Hi Adrijana this is a great discussion topic.  My church expeerience
>>> has been wonderful.  I joined the choir in October of two thousand
>>> eight and the people were gracious and kind to me.
>>>
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