[Faith-talk] Church experiences

Fri Sep 18 21:47:40 UTC 2015

Let's see. Well, when I moved hear I used to go the Baptist church
that I could walk to. Made since to me. Well I would knock on doors
and invite the fam and nobody was able to wake up and go to church. I
offered to take my nephew with me to children's functions and all of
the sudden he was going visit his daddy. But, it's okay and even
expected for me to buy them whatever my child had/have though! So,
when we moved away from there they suddenly started going back to our
family church which is great, I ain't nockin nobody's place of worship
or praise and worship. They are Catholic so all of a sudden it
supposed to be all good and I am supposed to be all happy about going.
And because I started defending myself and not allowing people to
HANDLE me or talk to me any kind of way they think I am possessed of
the devil? No indeed. I rarely go unless it is a wedding or
christening or something special and if I am given prior notice so I
can plan to go.

At the same church that I used to walk to I used to care for this
elderly lady and there came a time when she had to go into a nursing
home. So I went to visit a couple times and told her I would come back
regularly. I went away to look for a place to live and when I went
back they told me she was sleeping, I called up there to see what I
could bring for her and they said she was in therapy and I would have
to come back up there. So, I was somewhat alarmed since I wasn't
asking for personal info about her and I called the church daycare and
spoke to the pastor's wife since I knew some of the church members
were going by there to visit with her. She said oh she passed. Why a
year later I saw the obituary in the local paper and my mama told me
her coworker informed her that the lady had just died?

Oh and prior discussions on list, remind me that I went to that church
with Eden a time or two and the last time I took her my sister met me
directly after church to take us home. Makes me wonder if somebody
from inside didn't call her. At that time I WAS NOT worried about
taking her since I had taken her to other churches and functions with
no problems as well as my dog prior to her. I DID NOT know that
churches were exemp from ADA rulings until folks started talking about
it but I never had problems with anyone concerning my dogs in church
before that, and they have never caused problems for others. If they
did have problems, they didn't come directly to me so therefore, there
was no problem.

Most often when people want me to go to church it's these toned down
watered down services where it seem people don't LOVE God. The Bible
says, we are to praise him with songs andhyms, and praise him with
timbrels and dance, does it not? And it says let EVERYTHING that has
breath Praise the Lord, don't it? As long as we reading and living by
the same OLD B I B L E, why should my praise and worship matter to
those around me inside or outside of the church? I am bringing my
gifts!

Quite some time ago I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and I have
been challenged and asked to demonstrate. Why? I don't feel it is to
be played with like that. And then there are the traditional folks and
the Catholics who want to throw you out the Church for rasing your
hands or moving a lil too much or shouting or singing  a lil too loud.
Thank God for discernment! God forbid if I had gone to church pregnant
and out of wedlock. I guess if I had carried to term people would have
wanted me to honor there wishes and Christen  Catholic. Its not about
dishonoring parents or forgetting family traditions, but I have grown
and matured and made my own way in life and  learned to stand on my
own by force and at 40 years old there is something wrong if I can't
think for myself and make my own decisions concerning my life and life
choices. I think pastors aught to be made to sit down and seek God's
face for that! No matter if your small or mighty God can and should
sit you down. Why should I be challenged on such things when I can
back it up, and isn't the church akin to a hospital? I don't recall
Jesus condemning women for spreading the gospel or becoming pregnant
or turning away any who were sick. I have no problem humbling myself
and being educated if and when  I am in error. Wonder why folks still
going to the Old Testament to condemn and pass judgment on others?
That's not what pastors and priests are instructed to do? A rebuke, if
necessary, is not condemnation nor is it one in the same.

Anyway, if I can't go to my church of choice and worship according to
how I feel the Spirit is moving me  I won't go at all!

On 9/18/15, Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am glad that is working for you. Thanks for sharing.
>
> On 9/18/15, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Danielle, I'm sorry to hear about your Church experiences. I will
>> say
>> that in my case, my primary reasons for attending Church are my desire to
>> give God my time, I really want to show him that I am willing to
>> sacrifice
>> my days, energy , and even comfort sometimes, I want to show him thanks,
>> participate in corporate worship, try and be an active member of a local
>> body of believers and appreciate the fact that I live in a country where
>> people can still congregate in the name of Jesus, read a Bible and listen
>> to
>> preaching. If I started to focus on myself, or members of the Church and
>> how
>> they view me, what they are, or are not doing, then  I would probably
>> find
>> all kinds of reasons not to go. It is different for everybody so I don't
>> want you to think that I am condemning or judging you, I only wanted to
>> share my perspective with you. I hope you are finding His peace in your
>> life
>> and growing closer to the Savior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Danielle Lead via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:58 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Danielle Ledet
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> Well, I don't go to church anymore. To many hurtful experiences and so I
>> stay home. That way nobody feels the need or has the opportunity to worry
>> about my worship and lifestyle choices. People I thought were with me and
>> for me weren't and the others trying to resurrect me or right me or
>> something like that.
>>
>> On 9/17/15, melissa R Green via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> It is good to know that many have had good experiences with churches.
>>> I have had more bad than good.  Thus, I now consider myself a believer
>>> that is nonon-practicing.  I have had many people thank me for this
>>> term because they don't know what to say.  And it really fits me, and
>>> I don't have to say I am non-dinoninational or any specific religion.
>>> One day it is my prayer that we will have acceptance even in the church.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>> It is 'where we are' that should make all the difference, whether we
>>> believe we belong there or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 7:14 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>
>>> sadly  allot of churches judge people and  that is what makes people
>>> leave far to many play god or Jesus is another way to put it.  yes sin
>>> is sin but it is not our job as the church to condemn that is god's job.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Ericka via Faith-talk <
>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for your nice responses Debbie, Papa bear etc. So many
>>>> times I feel almost guilty for having positive experiences. I feel so
>>>> sad when I hear about negative experiences as such a place where our
>>>> calling as Christians or any faith community is to make others feel
>>>> welcome and share faith and fellowship together. Though it's not
>>>> explicitly said most faith traditions have a rule similar to the
>>>> golden rule. Sadly we break this one disabled or not. Bless you for
>>>> you are all my neighbors. I only hope to be a good neighbor. I know I
>>>> am
>>>> not a perfect one!
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Short
>>>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Erica, I enjoyed hearing about your Church experience. It makes me
>>>> > want
>>>> to go down the street about a mile and fellowship at the Lutheran
>>>> Church.
>>>> One of my daughters attended a preschool program there a few years
>>>> ago and I really connected with the pastor on both a friend and
>>>> scholastic level.
>>>> He was a jovial guy and he and his family lived behind the Church in
>>>> a Parsonage/Pastors home. That is rare to find in this day and age,
>>>> many Pastors couldn't imagine having to live on the Church property
>>>> and be that committed to all of the related aspects of responsibility
>>>> that a living situation like that would bring, but I myself think
>>>> that it would be ideal.
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>> > Of
>>>> Ericka via Faith-talk
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:35 PM
>>>> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> > Cc: Ericka
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>> >
>>>> > What a great question and I've been watching the responses. I've
>>>> > been
>>>> pretty blast silly years and been excepted pretty well into any
>>>> congregation I've been a member of. Like many others I've done some
>>>> church shopping in my time. We have to keep in mind when we respond
>>>> hear that our experiences just that. Every community – city and
>>>> faith community are different. I've had better luck with the Lutheran
>>>> Church is I've attended than anyone else as far as being welcomed and
>>>> included in activities.
>>>> Growing up my UCC congregation was willing to let me do most anything.
>>>> Catholic, Baptists, and fundamentalists either wouldn't have anything
>>>> to do with me or wanted to fix me. They didn't want me just as I am.
>>>> I believe Jules would want me just the way he made me and that's why
>>>> I bailed among other reasons. It disturbs me that I see church
>>>> members treating visually impaired differently than the totally
>>>> blind. I've had this experience many times with my boyfriend who lost
>>>> his vision later in life. I was a new person to their congregation in
>>>> Madison. He had been attending this Baptist Church for a year. Nobody
>>>> really came up to him and spoke to him at all except the pastor. A
>>>> couple here and there came up and said hello Shook his hand and then
>>>> walked off just as he was trying to engage in conversation.
>>>> However they did speak to me and asked me questions about him like he
>>>> doesn't exist or couldn't speak for himself. 12 years ago I could see
>>>> my congregation doing this but I am very proud of them they have
>>>> never done this to any blind friend I have brought to church with me.
>>>> Not that I didn't have to fight or charm them into understanding that
>>>> I was quite capable and had a calling from God to share talents with
>>>> them. In my current ELCA church (Evangelical Lutheran Church in
>>>> America) people joke that I've done almost everything but preach.
>>>> Well, it's almost true since I've taught Sunday school for all ages,
>>>> served on several committees, submitted proposals for Service
>>>> projects to council which were amazingly excepted, began on homebound
>>>> Ministry to shut ins, volunteered to be a part of the process to find
>>>> a new pastor, and gave children sermons when we were between pastors
>>>> a few times. I'm not as involved as I used to be because I am
>>>> planning to move, but as one person said on here quite a while ago
>>>> your actions and attitude sometimes affect how you are welcomed in a
>>>> congregation. St. Paul's Lutheran Church has been incredibly
>>>> wonderful to me but I have tried so hard to give back as well. God
>>>> has truly blessed me by putting me in this congregation. I have lots
>>>> of good friends who are willing to pick me up at the bus station when
>>>> I come from out of town, they call me when they're going to the
>>>> grocery store asking if I need a ride, and we do fun things as well.
>>>> I went from nobody talking to me either from being asked to be at
>>>> church council and having to turn it down. Nothing changed overnight
>>>> and I'll tell you there was a lot of prayer involved in these years
>>>> of how to ask. God gives you what you need and how to ask for it as
>>>> well as how to be active in your congregation at the right time. Now
>>>> most of my time is spent lecturing, assisting with
>>>> communion/eucharist, and being my congregations representative to an
>>>> interfaithfaith-based human rights advocacy group which the pastor
>>>> actually sought me out to do. God works in mysterious ways we have to
>>>> remember that. I can't wait to see what he believes I can do next. I
>>>> certainly know it will not be singing in the choir!
>>>> >
>>>> > Ericka Short
>>>> > "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sep 8, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I will do that, but I don't believe Victorville has such a program.
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll call the city tomorrow.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rob Kaiser
>>>> >> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>> >> email;
>>>> >> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:56 PM
>>>> >> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> Cc: tina sohl
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rob, we have a cab subsidy program in our area and wonder if
>>>> >> there's something similar for you if you haven't looked, maybe
>>>> >> asking the city about it. We can a certain amount of money load  a
>>>> >> month to get specific dollar amounts loaded on a cab card that we
>>>> >> can use and the city we're subsidizes the rest. It does help some.
>>>> >> have you looked in to such a thing? it might be worthy it.
>>>> >> Original message:
>>>> >>> There are busses but the service is very limmited on sundays &
>>>> >>> like the pera transit service, they stop @8 pm on week days & 5
>>>> >>> pm on weekends. Cabs are just very dificult to get & II as I
>>>> >>> wrote before,
>>>> they are very expensive.
>>>> >>> There probably is another church but it would be further away &
>>>> >>> possibly harder to get to as far as  transportation. Victorville
>>>> >>> is a great town in may instances, but it isn't a good place for
>>>> >>> disabled individulas. Right now, because of my limmited income,
>>>> >>> this is where I
>>>> need to live.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Rob Kaiser
>>>> >>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>> >>> email;
>>>> >>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:23 AM
>>>> >>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> >>> Cc: tina sohl
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Are there not buses or cabs there? are there other churches you
>>>> >>> can try? We have so far found our new church to be a very positive
>>>> >>> change.
>>>> >>> Itt's not easy, but we felt restless and like things werent going
>>>> >>> anywhere so felt god urging us to try somerthing else and so far
>>>> >>> it's been very good.
>>>> >>> Original message:
>>>> >>>> Since I moved up here to Victorville, I have had a not-so-good
>>>> >>>> church
>>>> >>>> experience: I wanted  to join the choir but because of the lac
>>>> >>>> of public and pera transit up here,  I needed rides to and from
>>>> >>>> church.
>>>> >>>> Not a one person has come forward to help  me in this endever.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>> >>>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>> >>>> email;
>>>> >>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via Faith-talk
>>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:24 AM
>>>> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> >>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Hi Adrijana this is a great discussion topic.  My church
>>>> >>>> expeerience has been wonderful.  I joined the choir in October
>>>> >>>> of two thousand eight and the people were gracious and kind to me.
>>>> >>
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