[Faith-talk] Church experiences

Fri Sep 18 22:59:03 UTC 2015

I am sorry to hear that so many have had bad church experiences. I had
a lot of them when I wasn't a believer but now I can't imagine not
being part of a church. If any of you live in Sacramento, I will be
moving there soon and would be happy to have some buddies. I just feel
that sharing faith with other Christians is so important in the
physical sense.

Throwing that out there, Maria

On 9/18/15, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Danielle, I can tell that your pretty sharp and full of pep. I am glad
> to know you on list. I feel for you and what you have experienced, I would
> love to have you standing beside me in a Church service clapping, praising
> and making a joyful sound to the Lord. I think that it would be a blast,
> don't forget to look me up in heaven and maybe we can worship together for a
> while.
> Take care and don't lose your moxie.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Danielle Ledet via Faith-talk
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:48 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Danielle Ledet
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>
> Let's see. Well, when I moved hear I used to go the Baptist church
> that I could walk to. Made since to me. Well I would knock on doors
> and invite the fam and nobody was able to wake up and go to church. I
> offered to take my nephew with me to children's functions and all of
> the sudden he was going visit his daddy. But, it's okay and even
> expected for me to buy them whatever my child had/have though! So,
> when we moved away from there they suddenly started going back to our
> family church which is great, I ain't nockin nobody's place of worship
> or praise and worship. They are Catholic so all of a sudden it
> supposed to be all good and I am supposed to be all happy about going.
> And because I started defending myself and not allowing people to
> HANDLE me or talk to me any kind of way they think I am possessed of
> the devil? No indeed. I rarely go unless it is a wedding or
> christening or something special and if I am given prior notice so I
> can plan to go.
>
> At the same church that I used to walk to I used to care for this
> elderly lady and there came a time when she had to go into a nursing
> home. So I went to visit a couple times and told her I would come back
> regularly. I went away to look for a place to live and when I went
> back they told me she was sleeping, I called up there to see what I
> could bring for her and they said she was in therapy and I would have
> to come back up there. So, I was somewhat alarmed since I wasn't
> asking for personal info about her and I called the church daycare and
> spoke to the pastor's wife since I knew some of the church members
> were going by there to visit with her. She said oh she passed. Why a
> year later I saw the obituary in the local paper and my mama told me
> her coworker informed her that the lady had just died?
>
> Oh and prior discussions on list, remind me that I went to that church
> with Eden a time or two and the last time I took her my sister met me
> directly after church to take us home. Makes me wonder if somebody
> from inside didn't call her. At that time I WAS NOT worried about
> taking her since I had taken her to other churches and functions with
> no problems as well as my dog prior to her. I DID NOT know that
> churches were exemp from ADA rulings until folks started talking about
> it but I never had problems with anyone concerning my dogs in church
> before that, and they have never caused problems for others. If they
> did have problems, they didn't come directly to me so therefore, there
> was no problem.
>
>
> Most often when people want me to go to church it's these toned down
> watered down services where it seem people don't LOVE God. The Bible
> says, we are to praise him with songs andhyms, and praise him with
> timbrels and dance, does it not? And it says let EVERYTHING that has
> breath Praise the Lord, don't it? As long as we reading and living by
> the same OLD B I B L E, why should my praise and worship matter to
> those around me inside or outside of the church? I am bringing my
> gifts!
>
> Quite some time ago I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and I have
> been challenged and asked to demonstrate. Why? I don't feel it is to
> be played with like that. And then there are the traditional folks and
> the Catholics who want to throw you out the Church for rasing your
> hands or moving a lil too much or shouting or singing  a lil too loud.
> Thank God for discernment! God forbid if I had gone to church pregnant
> and out of wedlock. I guess if I had carried to term people would have
> wanted me to honor there wishes and Christen  Catholic. Its not about
> dishonoring parents or forgetting family traditions, but I have grown
> and matured and made my own way in life and  learned to stand on my
> own by force and at 40 years old there is something wrong if I can't
> think for myself and make my own decisions concerning my life and life
> choices. I think pastors aught to be made to sit down and seek God's
> face for that! No matter if your small or mighty God can and should
> sit you down. Why should I be challenged on such things when I can
> back it up, and isn't the church akin to a hospital? I don't recall
> Jesus condemning women for spreading the gospel or becoming pregnant
> or turning away any who were sick. I have no problem humbling myself
> and being educated if and when  I am in error. Wonder why folks still
> going to the Old Testament to condemn and pass judgment on others?
> That's not what pastors and priests are instructed to do? A rebuke, if
> necessary, is not condemnation nor is it one in the same.
>
> Anyway, if I can't go to my church of choice and worship according to
> how I feel the Spirit is moving me  I won't go at all!
>
> On 9/18/15, Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am glad that is working for you. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> On 9/18/15, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Danielle, I'm sorry to hear about your Church experiences. I will
>>> say
>>> that in my case, my primary reasons for attending Church are my desire to
>>> give God my time, I really want to show him that I am willing to
>>> sacrifice
>>> my days, energy , and even comfort sometimes, I want to show him thanks,
>>> participate in corporate worship, try and be an active member of a local
>>> body of believers and appreciate the fact that I live in a country where
>>> people can still congregate in the name of Jesus, read a Bible and listen
>>> to
>>> preaching. If I started to focus on myself, or members of the Church and
>>> how
>>> they view me, what they are, or are not doing, then  I would probably
>>> find
>>> all kinds of reasons not to go. It is different for everybody so I don't
>>> want you to think that I am condemning or judging you, I only wanted to
>>> share my perspective with you. I hope you are finding His peace in your
>>> life
>>> and growing closer to the Savior.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Danielle Lead via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:58 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Cc: Danielle Ledet
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>
>>> Well, I don't go to church anymore. To many hurtful experiences and so I
>>> stay home. That way nobody feels the need or has the opportunity to worry
>>> about my worship and lifestyle choices. People I thought were with me and
>>> for me weren't and the others trying to resurrect me or right me or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> On 9/17/15, melissa R Green via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> It is good to know that many have had good experiences with churches.
>>>> I have had more bad than good.  Thus, I now consider myself a believer
>>>> that is nonon-practicing.  I have had many people thank me for this
>>>> term because they don't know what to say.  And it really fits me, and
>>>> I don't have to say I am non-dinoninational or any specific religion.
>>>> One day it is my prayer that we will have acceptance even in the church.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>> It is 'where we are' that should make all the difference, whether we
>>>> believe we belong there or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 7:14 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>
>>>> sadly  allot of churches judge people and  that is what makes people
>>>> leave far to many play god or Jesus is another way to put it.  yes sin
>>>> is sin but it is not our job as the church to condemn that is god's job.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Ericka via Faith-talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your nice responses Debbie, Papa bear etc. So many
>>>>> times I feel almost guilty for having positive experiences. I feel so
>>>>> sad when I hear about negative experiences as such a place where our
>>>>> calling as Christians or any faith community is to make others feel
>>>>> welcome and share faith and fellowship together. Though it's not
>>>>> explicitly said most faith traditions have a rule similar to the
>>>>> golden rule. Sadly we break this one disabled or not. Bless you for
>>>>> you are all my neighbors. I only hope to be a good neighbor. I know I
>>>>> am
>>>>> not a perfect one!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <
>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Erica, I enjoyed hearing about your Church experience. It makes me
>>>>> > want
>>>>> to go down the street about a mile and fellowship at the Lutheran
>>>>> Church.
>>>>> One of my daughters attended a preschool program there a few years
>>>>> ago and I really connected with the pastor on both a friend and
>>>>> scholastic level.
>>>>> He was a jovial guy and he and his family lived behind the Church in
>>>>> a Parsonage/Pastors home. That is rare to find in this day and age,
>>>>> many Pastors couldn't imagine having to live on the Church property
>>>>> and be that committed to all of the related aspects of responsibility
>>>>> that a living situation like that would bring, but I myself think
>>>>> that it would be ideal.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> > Of
>>>>> Ericka via Faith-talk
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:35 PM
>>>>> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> > Cc: Ericka
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What a great question and I've been watching the responses. I've
>>>>> > been
>>>>> pretty blast silly years and been excepted pretty well into any
>>>>> congregation I've been a member of. Like many others I've done some
>>>>> church shopping in my time. We have to keep in mind when we respond
>>>>> hear that our experiences just that. Every community – city and
>>>>> faith community are different. I've had better luck with the Lutheran
>>>>> Church is I've attended than anyone else as far as being welcomed and
>>>>> included in activities.
>>>>> Growing up my UCC congregation was willing to let me do most anything.
>>>>> Catholic, Baptists, and fundamentalists either wouldn't have anything
>>>>> to do with me or wanted to fix me. They didn't want me just as I am.
>>>>> I believe Jules would want me just the way he made me and that's why
>>>>> I bailed among other reasons. It disturbs me that I see church
>>>>> members treating visually impaired differently than the totally
>>>>> blind. I've had this experience many times with my boyfriend who lost
>>>>> his vision later in life. I was a new person to their congregation in
>>>>> Madison. He had been attending this Baptist Church for a year. Nobody
>>>>> really came up to him and spoke to him at all except the pastor. A
>>>>> couple here and there came up and said hello Shook his hand and then
>>>>> walked off just as he was trying to engage in conversation.
>>>>> However they did speak to me and asked me questions about him like he
>>>>> doesn't exist or couldn't speak for himself. 12 years ago I could see
>>>>> my congregation doing this but I am very proud of them they have
>>>>> never done this to any blind friend I have brought to church with me.
>>>>> Not that I didn't have to fight or charm them into understanding that
>>>>> I was quite capable and had a calling from God to share talents with
>>>>> them. In my current ELCA church (Evangelical Lutheran Church in
>>>>> America) people joke that I've done almost everything but preach.
>>>>> Well, it's almost true since I've taught Sunday school for all ages,
>>>>> served on several committees, submitted proposals for Service
>>>>> projects to council which were amazingly excepted, began on homebound
>>>>> Ministry to shut ins, volunteered to be a part of the process to find
>>>>> a new pastor, and gave children sermons when we were between pastors
>>>>> a few times. I'm not as involved as I used to be because I am
>>>>> planning to move, but as one person said on here quite a while ago
>>>>> your actions and attitude sometimes affect how you are welcomed in a
>>>>> congregation. St. Paul's Lutheran Church has been incredibly
>>>>> wonderful to me but I have tried so hard to give back as well. God
>>>>> has truly blessed me by putting me in this congregation. I have lots
>>>>> of good friends who are willing to pick me up at the bus station when
>>>>> I come from out of town, they call me when they're going to the
>>>>> grocery store asking if I need a ride, and we do fun things as well.
>>>>> I went from nobody talking to me either from being asked to be at
>>>>> church council and having to turn it down. Nothing changed overnight
>>>>> and I'll tell you there was a lot of prayer involved in these years
>>>>> of how to ask. God gives you what you need and how to ask for it as
>>>>> well as how to be active in your congregation at the right time. Now
>>>>> most of my time is spent lecturing, assisting with
>>>>> communion/eucharist, and being my congregations representative to an
>>>>> interfaithfaith-based human rights advocacy group which the pastor
>>>>> actually sought me out to do. God works in mysterious ways we have to
>>>>> remember that. I can't wait to see what he believes I can do next. I
>>>>> certainly know it will not be singing in the choir!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ericka Short
>>>>> > "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Sep 8, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <
>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I will do that, but I don't believe Victorville has such a program.
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll call the city tomorrow.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rob Kaiser
>>>>> >> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>> >> email;
>>>>> >> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:56 PM
>>>>> >> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >> Cc: tina sohl
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rob, we have a cab subsidy program in our area and wonder if
>>>>> >> there's something similar for you if you haven't looked, maybe
>>>>> >> asking the city about it. We can a certain amount of money load  a
>>>>> >> month to get specific dollar amounts loaded on a cab card that we
>>>>> >> can use and the city we're subsidizes the rest. It does help some.
>>>>> >> have you looked in to such a thing? it might be worthy it.
>>>>> >> Original message:
>>>>> >>> There are busses but the service is very limmited on sundays &
>>>>> >>> like the pera transit service, they stop @8 pm on week days & 5
>>>>> >>> pm on weekends. Cabs are just very dificult to get & II as I
>>>>> >>> wrote before,
>>>>> they are very expensive.
>>>>> >>> There probably is another church but it would be further away &
>>>>> >>> possibly harder to get to as far as  transportation. Victorville
>>>>> >>> is a great town in may instances, but it isn't a good place for
>>>>> >>> disabled individulas. Right now, because of my limmited income,
>>>>> >>> this is where I
>>>>> need to live.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>> >>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>> >>> email;
>>>>> >>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:23 AM
>>>>> >>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >>> Cc: tina sohl
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Are there not buses or cabs there? are there other churches you
>>>>> >>> can try? We have so far found our new church to be a very positive
>>>>> >>> change.
>>>>> >>> Itt's not easy, but we felt restless and like things werent going
>>>>> >>> anywhere so felt god urging us to try somerthing else and so far
>>>>> >>> it's been very good.
>>>>> >>> Original message:
>>>>> >>>> Since I moved up here to Victorville, I have had a not-so-good
>>>>> >>>> church
>>>>> >>>> experience: I wanted  to join the choir but because of the lac
>>>>> >>>> of public and pera transit up here,  I needed rides to and from
>>>>> >>>> church.
>>>>> >>>> Not a one person has come forward to help  me in this endever.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>> >>>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>> >>>> email;
>>>>> >>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via Faith-talk
>>>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:24 AM
>>>>> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> >>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>> Hi Adrijana this is a great discussion topic.  My church
>>>>> >>>> expeerience has been wonderful.  I joined the choir in October
>>>>> >>>> of two thousand eight and the people were gracious and kind to me.
>>>>> >>
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