[Faith-talk] Church experiences

Fri Sep 18 23:30:12 UTC 2015

Sure thing Poppa Bear. I do love God and prasing His name. Maria,
you're right and that's biblical too.

On 9/18/15, Maria S via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am sorry to hear that so many have had bad church experiences. I had
> a lot of them when I wasn't a believer but now I can't imagine not
> being part of a church. If any of you live in Sacramento, I will be
> moving there soon and would be happy to have some buddies. I just feel
> that sharing faith with other Christians is so important in the
> physical sense.
>
> Throwing that out there, Maria
>
> On 9/18/15, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Danielle, I can tell that your pretty sharp and full of pep. I am
>> glad
>> to know you on list. I feel for you and what you have experienced, I would
>> love to have you standing beside me in a Church service clapping, praising
>> and making a joyful sound to the Lord. I think that it would be a blast,
>> don't forget to look me up in heaven and maybe we can worship together for
>> a
>> while.
>> Take care and don't lose your moxie.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Danielle Ledet via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:48 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: Danielle Ledet
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>
>> Let's see. Well, when I moved hear I used to go the Baptist church
>> that I could walk to. Made since to me. Well I would knock on doors
>> and invite the fam and nobody was able to wake up and go to church. I
>> offered to take my nephew with me to children's functions and all of
>> the sudden he was going visit his daddy. But, it's okay and even
>> expected for me to buy them whatever my child had/have though! So,
>> when we moved away from there they suddenly started going back to our
>> family church which is great, I ain't nockin nobody's place of worship
>> or praise and worship. They are Catholic so all of a sudden it
>> supposed to be all good and I am supposed to be all happy about going.
>> And because I started defending myself and not allowing people to
>> HANDLE me or talk to me any kind of way they think I am possessed of
>> the devil? No indeed. I rarely go unless it is a wedding or
>> christening or something special and if I am given prior notice so I
>> can plan to go.
>>
>> At the same church that I used to walk to I used to care for this
>> elderly lady and there came a time when she had to go into a nursing
>> home. So I went to visit a couple times and told her I would come back
>> regularly. I went away to look for a place to live and when I went
>> back they told me she was sleeping, I called up there to see what I
>> could bring for her and they said she was in therapy and I would have
>> to come back up there. So, I was somewhat alarmed since I wasn't
>> asking for personal info about her and I called the church daycare and
>> spoke to the pastor's wife since I knew some of the church members
>> were going by there to visit with her. She said oh she passed. Why a
>> year later I saw the obituary in the local paper and my mama told me
>> her coworker informed her that the lady had just died?
>>
>> Oh and prior discussions on list, remind me that I went to that church
>> with Eden a time or two and the last time I took her my sister met me
>> directly after church to take us home. Makes me wonder if somebody
>> from inside didn't call her. At that time I WAS NOT worried about
>> taking her since I had taken her to other churches and functions with
>> no problems as well as my dog prior to her. I DID NOT know that
>> churches were exemp from ADA rulings until folks started talking about
>> it but I never had problems with anyone concerning my dogs in church
>> before that, and they have never caused problems for others. If they
>> did have problems, they didn't come directly to me so therefore, there
>> was no problem.
>>
>>
>> Most often when people want me to go to church it's these toned down
>> watered down services where it seem people don't LOVE God. The Bible
>> says, we are to praise him with songs andhyms, and praise him with
>> timbrels and dance, does it not? And it says let EVERYTHING that has
>> breath Praise the Lord, don't it? As long as we reading and living by
>> the same OLD B I B L E, why should my praise and worship matter to
>> those around me inside or outside of the church? I am bringing my
>> gifts!
>>
>> Quite some time ago I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and I have
>> been challenged and asked to demonstrate. Why? I don't feel it is to
>> be played with like that. And then there are the traditional folks and
>> the Catholics who want to throw you out the Church for rasing your
>> hands or moving a lil too much or shouting or singing  a lil too loud.
>> Thank God for discernment! God forbid if I had gone to church pregnant
>> and out of wedlock. I guess if I had carried to term people would have
>> wanted me to honor there wishes and Christen  Catholic. Its not about
>> dishonoring parents or forgetting family traditions, but I have grown
>> and matured and made my own way in life and  learned to stand on my
>> own by force and at 40 years old there is something wrong if I can't
>> think for myself and make my own decisions concerning my life and life
>> choices. I think pastors aught to be made to sit down and seek God's
>> face for that! No matter if your small or mighty God can and should
>> sit you down. Why should I be challenged on such things when I can
>> back it up, and isn't the church akin to a hospital? I don't recall
>> Jesus condemning women for spreading the gospel or becoming pregnant
>> or turning away any who were sick. I have no problem humbling myself
>> and being educated if and when  I am in error. Wonder why folks still
>> going to the Old Testament to condemn and pass judgment on others?
>> That's not what pastors and priests are instructed to do? A rebuke, if
>> necessary, is not condemnation nor is it one in the same.
>>
>> Anyway, if I can't go to my church of choice and worship according to
>> how I feel the Spirit is moving me  I won't go at all!
>>
>> On 9/18/15, Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am glad that is working for you. Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> On 9/18/15, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello Danielle, I'm sorry to hear about your Church experiences. I will
>>>> say
>>>> that in my case, my primary reasons for attending Church are my desire
>>>> to
>>>> give God my time, I really want to show him that I am willing to
>>>> sacrifice
>>>> my days, energy , and even comfort sometimes, I want to show him thanks,
>>>> participate in corporate worship, try and be an active member of a local
>>>> body of believers and appreciate the fact that I live in a country where
>>>> people can still congregate in the name of Jesus, read a Bible and
>>>> listen
>>>> to
>>>> preaching. If I started to focus on myself, or members of the Church and
>>>> how
>>>> they view me, what they are, or are not doing, then  I would probably
>>>> find
>>>> all kinds of reasons not to go. It is different for everybody so I don't
>>>> want you to think that I am condemning or judging you, I only wanted to
>>>> share my perspective with you. I hope you are finding His peace in your
>>>> life
>>>> and growing closer to the Savior.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Danielle Lead via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:58 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Cc: Danielle Ledet
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't go to church anymore. To many hurtful experiences and so I
>>>> stay home. That way nobody feels the need or has the opportunity to
>>>> worry
>>>> about my worship and lifestyle choices. People I thought were with me
>>>> and
>>>> for me weren't and the others trying to resurrect me or right me or
>>>> something like that.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/17/15, melissa R Green via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> It is good to know that many have had good experiences with churches.
>>>>> I have had more bad than good.  Thus, I now consider myself a believer
>>>>> that is nonon-practicing.  I have had many people thank me for this
>>>>> term because they don't know what to say.  And it really fits me, and
>>>>> I don't have to say I am non-dinoninational or any specific religion.
>>>>> One day it is my prayer that we will have acceptance even in the
>>>>> church.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>>> It is 'where we are' that should make all the difference, whether we
>>>>> believe we belong there or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 7:14 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>>
>>>>> sadly  allot of churches judge people and  that is what makes people
>>>>> leave far to many play god or Jesus is another way to put it.  yes sin
>>>>> is sin but it is not our job as the church to condemn that is god's
>>>>> job.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Ericka via Faith-talk <
>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your nice responses Debbie, Papa bear etc. So many
>>>>>> times I feel almost guilty for having positive experiences. I feel so
>>>>>> sad when I hear about negative experiences as such a place where our
>>>>>> calling as Christians or any faith community is to make others feel
>>>>>> welcome and share faith and fellowship together. Though it's not
>>>>>> explicitly said most faith traditions have a rule similar to the
>>>>>> golden rule. Sadly we break this one disabled or not. Bless you for
>>>>>> you are all my neighbors. I only hope to be a good neighbor. I know I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> not a perfect one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>> "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Sep 10, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <
>>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Erica, I enjoyed hearing about your Church experience. It makes me
>>>>>> > want
>>>>>> to go down the street about a mile and fellowship at the Lutheran
>>>>>> Church.
>>>>>> One of my daughters attended a preschool program there a few years
>>>>>> ago and I really connected with the pastor on both a friend and
>>>>>> scholastic level.
>>>>>> He was a jovial guy and he and his family lived behind the Church in
>>>>>> a Parsonage/Pastors home. That is rare to find in this day and age,
>>>>>> many Pastors couldn't imagine having to live on the Church property
>>>>>> and be that committed to all of the related aspects of responsibility
>>>>>> that a living situation like that would bring, but I myself think
>>>>>> that it would be ideal.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> > Of
>>>>>> Ericka via Faith-talk
>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 10:35 PM
>>>>>> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> > Cc: Ericka
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > What a great question and I've been watching the responses. I've
>>>>>> > been
>>>>>> pretty blast silly years and been excepted pretty well into any
>>>>>> congregation I've been a member of. Like many others I've done some
>>>>>> church shopping in my time. We have to keep in mind when we respond
>>>>>> hear that our experiences just that. Every community – city and
>>>>>> faith community are different. I've had better luck with the Lutheran
>>>>>> Church is I've attended than anyone else as far as being welcomed and
>>>>>> included in activities.
>>>>>> Growing up my UCC congregation was willing to let me do most anything.
>>>>>> Catholic, Baptists, and fundamentalists either wouldn't have anything
>>>>>> to do with me or wanted to fix me. They didn't want me just as I am.
>>>>>> I believe Jules would want me just the way he made me and that's why
>>>>>> I bailed among other reasons. It disturbs me that I see church
>>>>>> members treating visually impaired differently than the totally
>>>>>> blind. I've had this experience many times with my boyfriend who lost
>>>>>> his vision later in life. I was a new person to their congregation in
>>>>>> Madison. He had been attending this Baptist Church for a year. Nobody
>>>>>> really came up to him and spoke to him at all except the pastor. A
>>>>>> couple here and there came up and said hello Shook his hand and then
>>>>>> walked off just as he was trying to engage in conversation.
>>>>>> However they did speak to me and asked me questions about him like he
>>>>>> doesn't exist or couldn't speak for himself. 12 years ago I could see
>>>>>> my congregation doing this but I am very proud of them they have
>>>>>> never done this to any blind friend I have brought to church with me.
>>>>>> Not that I didn't have to fight or charm them into understanding that
>>>>>> I was quite capable and had a calling from God to share talents with
>>>>>> them. In my current ELCA church (Evangelical Lutheran Church in
>>>>>> America) people joke that I've done almost everything but preach.
>>>>>> Well, it's almost true since I've taught Sunday school for all ages,
>>>>>> served on several committees, submitted proposals for Service
>>>>>> projects to council which were amazingly excepted, began on homebound
>>>>>> Ministry to shut ins, volunteered to be a part of the process to find
>>>>>> a new pastor, and gave children sermons when we were between pastors
>>>>>> a few times. I'm not as involved as I used to be because I am
>>>>>> planning to move, but as one person said on here quite a while ago
>>>>>> your actions and attitude sometimes affect how you are welcomed in a
>>>>>> congregation. St. Paul's Lutheran Church has been incredibly
>>>>>> wonderful to me but I have tried so hard to give back as well. God
>>>>>> has truly blessed me by putting me in this congregation. I have lots
>>>>>> of good friends who are willing to pick me up at the bus station when
>>>>>> I come from out of town, they call me when they're going to the
>>>>>> grocery store asking if I need a ride, and we do fun things as well.
>>>>>> I went from nobody talking to me either from being asked to be at
>>>>>> church council and having to turn it down. Nothing changed overnight
>>>>>> and I'll tell you there was a lot of prayer involved in these years
>>>>>> of how to ask. God gives you what you need and how to ask for it as
>>>>>> well as how to be active in your congregation at the right time. Now
>>>>>> most of my time is spent lecturing, assisting with
>>>>>> communion/eucharist, and being my congregations representative to an
>>>>>> interfaithfaith-based human rights advocacy group which the pastor
>>>>>> actually sought me out to do. God works in mysterious ways we have to
>>>>>> remember that. I can't wait to see what he believes I can do next. I
>>>>>> certainly know it will not be singing in the choir!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Ericka Short
>>>>>> > "Friends are like flowers in the garden of life"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On Sep 8, 2015, at 11:03 PM, Rob Kaiser via Faith-talk <
>>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I will do that, but I don't believe Victorville has such a program.
>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I'll call the city tomorrow.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>> >> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>>> >> email;
>>>>>> >> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2015 7:56 PM
>>>>>> >> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >> Cc: tina sohl
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rob, we have a cab subsidy program in our area and wonder if
>>>>>> >> there's something similar for you if you haven't looked, maybe
>>>>>> >> asking the city about it. We can a certain amount of money load  a
>>>>>> >> month to get specific dollar amounts loaded on a cab card that we
>>>>>> >> can use and the city we're subsidizes the rest. It does help some.
>>>>>> >> have you looked in to such a thing? it might be worthy it.
>>>>>> >> Original message:
>>>>>> >>> There are busses but the service is very limmited on sundays &
>>>>>> >>> like the pera transit service, they stop @8 pm on week days & 5
>>>>>> >>> pm on weekends. Cabs are just very dificult to get & II as I
>>>>>> >>> wrote before,
>>>>>> they are very expensive.
>>>>>> >>> There probably is another church but it would be further away &
>>>>>> >>> possibly harder to get to as far as  transportation. Victorville
>>>>>> >>> is a great town in may instances, but it isn't a good place for
>>>>>> >>> disabled individulas. Right now, because of my limmited income,
>>>>>> >>> this is where I
>>>>>> need to live.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>> >>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>>> >>> email;
>>>>>> >>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >>> From: tina sohl via Faith-talk
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 7, 2015 11:23 AM
>>>>>> >>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> >>> Cc: tina sohl
>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Are there not buses or cabs there? are there other churches you
>>>>>> >>> can try? We have so far found our new church to be a very positive
>>>>>> >>> change.
>>>>>> >>> Itt's not easy, but we felt restless and like things werent going
>>>>>> >>> anywhere so felt god urging us to try somerthing else and so far
>>>>>> >>> it's been very good.
>>>>>> >>> Original message:
>>>>>> >>>> Since I moved up here to Victorville, I have had a not-so-good
>>>>>> >>>> church
>>>>>> >>>> experience: I wanted  to join the choir but because of the lac
>>>>>> >>>> of public and pera transit up here,  I needed rides to and from
>>>>>> >>>> church.
>>>>>> >>>> Not a one person has come forward to help  me in this endever.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>>> >>>> hm#(442)242-7044
>>>>>> >>>> email;
>>>>>> >>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >>>> From: Roanna Bacchus via Faith-talk
>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:24 AM
>>>>>> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> >>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus
>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church experiences
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>>> Hi Adrijana this is a great discussion topic.  My church
>>>>>> >>>> expeerience has been wonderful.  I joined the choir in October
>>>>>> >>>> of two thousand eight and the people were gracious and kind to
>>>>>> >>>> me.
>>>>>> >>
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