[Faith-talk] updates on my current living situation

Wed Mar 2 18:44:53 UTC 2016

I completely agree. Relationships can come and go, but family is with us for our whole life.

Just adding the Islamic perspective, here’s a verse from the Quran:

> “So would you perhaps, if you turned away, cause corruption on earth and sever your [ties of] relationship? Those [who do so] are the ones that Allah has cursed, so He deafened them and blinded their vision.” (Surah Muhammed, 47:22-23)
> 

In the Quran, the next command after worshipping Allah (سبحانه وعالى) is to be good to parents:

> “Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful.” (Surah An-Nisa, 4:36)

And also:

> “And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word. And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, "My Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small."” (Surah Al-Isra, 17:23-24)

So to God, respect to your parents is very important, second only to correct worship of God.

Abdullah

> On Mar 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Right on Andrew, many people are so desperate to feel a connection with
> somebody that they will often abandon the real people who care about them to
> seek out any kind of affection that they can get. No parent is perfect, but
> once you become a parent you do find out how much love it took to raise you
> and all of the sacrifices that had to be made to take care of you and then
> you see how important a parents claims on you are. The connection and
> attention that we all desire on the deepest level can only come from God. I
> have found out that broken people without peace in their lives will
> typically find somebody else who is in the same boat and then instead of
> having one miserable struggling person they have multiplied all of the
> misery, brokenness and baggage by two. Once that cycle starts in somebody's
> life it is hard to choose a different path and healthy relationships, we
> need to find ourselves desperate for God and not somebody to make us feel
> loved because they will fail every time and then we will be left like a
> scared baby in a crib all alone still rejecting the hands of our heavenly
> father. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> edgcumbe via Faith-talk
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] updates on my current living situation
> 
> thanks papa bear the thing is this some might consider the bible old
> fationed and stuff but  God never changes so there fore i feel he never
> changes his word to us.  I was through a situation with a girl not long ago
> and stuff actually. The thing was this She wanted me to live with her in the
> worst way yet I let her talk about it for a while and let things  go for a
> while but basically I just p ut an end to the relationship december.
> She wanted to sleep with me in a hotel my parents said  i was with the young
> adult group that night but during friday she got nasty with my parents in
> fact. The thing is this she  had said allot of lies my dad called her
> parents.  The thing is this I found out what she was really like under the
> surface the truth of the matter  is this if you were to meet her she would
> seem nice but  the thing is this she was very  very clingy and stuff like
> that.  she did not even talk to her parents about me.  I not sure is if your
> family is truly that bad or not but maybe your mom or dad have a reason
> behind what they say to you and stuff like that.  you need to seek advice
> from bible beliving christians. what you need to do is you can only serve tw
> you can't serve two masters you either serve god or the devil.  Marriage i
> know it may not always seem that way but marriage should bring families
> together and things  when you mary a boy friend or girl friend you mary the
> family. Family is very important.  The family is is the Godly way.  our
> families may not be perfect  but  we need to respect our parents and respect
> our alders that means respect those who are older than we are.  we need to
> the bible says to honor your parents.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Wow Andrew, you said some very wise things, I am blessed that you can 
>> also see the wisdom in Linda's words, Linda may have came off as over 
>> stern to some, but I believe that she is just getting to the important 
>> bottom line stuff and if a person took her advice then they would more 
>> than likely land on their spiritual feet and not on their head and be
> walking in God's will.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 7:59 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] updates on my current living situation
>> 
>> i could not have said it better than linda  you need to  not block 
>> your family out of the picture family is very very important.  all we 
>> can see here is your side of the story  there are always two sides to the
> story.
>> you need to not get ahead of god and his will. you need to do things 
>> god's way.  God's way is not to live together and if you two sleep 
>> together you will undefile the bed of God.  you need to seek spiritual 
>> council from a pastor or your church you need to first off if you are 
>> not in a bible believing church you need to find one we may not like 
>> what god says but the bible and God tells the truth as it is and the 
>> truth is the reality.  you need to look at things through god first 
>> God needs to be put first before your boy friend.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk < 
>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Beth,
>>> 
>>> Please be careful what you write here, and watch your language.
>>> Remember, all messages are archived. I know it's rough for you and 
>>> your boyfriend right now, but you're very wrong, if in fact you 
>>> believe yourself to be a Christian, to live together before marriage.
>>> The Bible tells us to avoid the appearance of evil, and that the 
>>> marriage
>> bed is not to be defiled.
>>> You're struggles are partly because you are not being obedient to 
>>> your Lord, no matter how you rationalize it.. In my opinion, you're 
>>> going about this all wrong. Your boyfriend should stay with a church 
>>> family temporarily, if possible, and get his finances squared away. 
>>> Neither of you will be tempted to enter into the "nowing each other" 
>>> part of the relationship before marriage.
>>> 
>>> As to FaceBook, also be careful what you post there as well. Share 
>>> privately with a few close friends, and don't block your family..
>>> 
>>> You are allowing people and circumstances to rule over you, rather 
>>> than allowing God to work in and through you. We on this list are 
>>> praying for you, but God's will won't be done if your will isn't 
>>> lining up with His. Be careful how you spend what little money you 
>>> have so that you can save for a marriage license. Maybe your pastor 
>>> will preside over a private ceremony in the Church when you can 
>>> afford
>> it.
>>> 
>>> Many of the problems we all have in our lives are partly of our own 
>>> making, and we blame God or others for how things are turning out for
> us.
>>> Please ask God for discernment and His wisdom, and stop plowing 
>>> ahead with your own agenda.
>>> 
>>> I continue to pray for you.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
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