[Faith-talk] {Spam?} Division?

[Sarah Blake LaRose]

I can get it via email, but out of the three blind people attending our 
church I am the only one who is getting it--this is supposedly because the 
others have not asked. I think they should not need to. Their email 
addresses are on file and it would be nice to offer.

When I am on worship team, I need to remind the person to send me titles of 
the pieces we are doing so that I can look up anything new/unfamiliar and be 
prepared for practice. This is a request that has actually been made of me.

I think posture might communicate some things to sighted people, but I am 
not willing to work that discussion in every case. I have also been around 
sighted people who were willing to admit that they simply have fears and it 
is their responsibility to do the hard work to get over them. This was part 
of the most positive church experience I ever had. One person did the 
work--we are still friends 12 years later. The rest of the people did not.





Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
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-----Original Message----- 
From: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Division?

hear is this other issue can body  posture or anything like that as  if a
person's body whatever is off in sighted world then it drives people away
then it drives people away The blind person may not know what he or she is
doing that is the ting maybe this gets to far towards life skills but  the
other big thing is this but how has the church bulleton been made
excessable to you. I have had  it to point where the church i was going to
email it out each week.  When it comes to friendships it is really a two
way streak.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk <
faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Linda, my point is that sometimes the solution a person wants isn't for
> the NFB to contact their church leaders but for their to be a place where
> it is good to build skills and understanding for how to self-advocate in
> the faith community. I encounter many people who don't know, for instance,
> how to have good discussions about working in the nursery. I was among 
> them
> for a long time.
>
> It has always been easy for me to have discussions among church groups
> about Bible questions. It is not easy to have discussions about the social
> issues associated with church. We lose a lot of people because of these
> things, and I think it is an important thing to talk about--not only in 
> the
> blind community but in the church. I am trying to find the right words
> because I observe that it annoys sighted people when I bring up the fact
> that blind people leave the church because they feel isolated. The sighted
> people's response it typically, "Well, all they have to do is call and ask
> for a ride." It's hard to explain how it feels when you hear people making
> plans to go to lunch and you are not among any of the groups, but someone
> offers to drop you off at home. This is one of the most common reasons why
> I find people leaving the church. I think it would take more than NFB
> advocacy to bring about change in the face of this. This is the kind of
> thing that I have personally encountered throughout most of my life. I
> chose to stay anyway, and sometimes to be vulnerable with the community
> about what was going on. It usually didn't work. Most people cannot
> distinguish well between the types of silly conversations they have with
> me, e.g. "You're teaching Hebrew? I couldn't teach English and I'm 
> sighted"
> and the respectful exchanges they have with each other that result in
> ongoing relationships. I have taken other people to church with me, but
> they don’tdon't have the fortitude to stick around in that kind of
> environment. I don't blame them. This is what they cope with all day every
> day. Why shouldn't the church be a different place?
>
>
>
> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> -----Original Message----- From: Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:40 PM
> To: Faith-talk
> Cc: Linda Mentink
> Subject: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Division?
>
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I have tried to explain the purposes of the NFB's Communities of
> Faith division.  What is it that you're not clear about? I guess
> I'm frustrated because I don't know what you want to know, and I
> have done my best to give a brief overview.
>
> Of course there are still issues of blind people not being
> welcome or getting the materials they need.  We can't help those
> we don't know about.  We can't advocate for what we don't know
> about.  We can't contact your church leaders if we don't know
> there's a problem.  Um, that's what we're here for!
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
>
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