[Faith-talk] {Spam?} Division?

[Ericka]

Mine is large print. They offered to find a place to braille them for us but we don't tead braille. We are just learning! That threw them off for a bit! 

Ericka Short
1750 Fordem Ave. #508
Madison. WI. 53704
608-665-3170

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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 7:36 AM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hear is this other issue can body  posture or anything like that as  if a
> person's body whatever is off in sighted world then it drives people away
> then it drives people away The blind person may not know what he or she is
> doing that is the ting maybe this gets to far towards life skills but  the
> other big thing is this but how has the church bulleton been made
> excessable to you. I have had  it to point where the church i was going to
> email it out each week.  When it comes to friendships it is really a two
> way streak.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Linda, my point is that sometimes the solution a person wants isn't for
>> the NFB to contact their church leaders but for their to be a place where
>> it is good to build skills and understanding for how to self-advocate in
>> the faith community. I encounter many people who don't know, for instance,
>> how to have good discussions about working in the nursery. I was among them
>> for a long time.
>> 
>> It has always been easy for me to have discussions among church groups
>> about Bible questions. It is not easy to have discussions about the social
>> issues associated with church. We lose a lot of people because of these
>> things, and I think it is an important thing to talk about--not only in the
>> blind community but in the church. I am trying to find the right words
>> because I observe that it annoys sighted people when I bring up the fact
>> that blind people leave the church because they feel isolated. The sighted
>> people's response it typically, "Well, all they have to do is call and ask
>> for a ride." It's hard to explain how it feels when you hear people making
>> plans to go to lunch and you are not among any of the groups, but someone
>> offers to drop you off at home. This is one of the most common reasons why
>> I find people leaving the church. I think it would take more than NFB
>> advocacy to bring about change in the face of this. This is the kind of
>> thing that I have personally encountered throughout most of my life. I
>> chose to stay anyway, and sometimes to be vulnerable with the community
>> about what was going on. It usually didn't work. Most people cannot
>> distinguish well between the types of silly conversations they have with
>> me, e.g. "You're teaching Hebrew? I couldn't teach English and I'm sighted"
>> and the respectful exchanges they have with each other that result in
>> ongoing relationships. I have taken other people to church with me, but
>> they don’tdon't have the fortitude to stick around in that kind of
>> environment. I don't blame them. This is what they cope with all day every
>> day. Why shouldn't the church be a different place?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:40 PM
>> To: Faith-talk
>> Cc: Linda Mentink
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Division?
>> 
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> I have tried to explain the purposes of the NFB's Communities of
>> Faith division.  What is it that you're not clear about? I guess
>> I'm frustrated because I don't know what you want to know, and I
>> have done my best to give a brief overview.
>> 
>> Of course there are still issues of blind people not being
>> welcome or getting the materials they need.  We can't help those
>> we don't know about.  We can't advocate for what we don't know
>> about.  We can't contact your church leaders if we don't know
>> there's a problem.  Um, that's what we're here for!
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
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