[Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Mon Sep 5 22:49:10 UTC 2016

Hi David, I'm glad that you like the Optacon. I have !say that I absolutely hated it. I couldn't stand the noise it made, and I couldn't stand the feel on my fingers. I was ready !throw the thing across the room. LOL. I guess not all technology is for everyone. That's great how you showed those kids that they couldn't flay tricks on you. ′Smile′.    Blessings,    Debby

On Sep 5, 2016 3:13 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Ericka,
> Thanks a lot. Let me know if you need help, because I can explain a concept 
> in so many different ways so any person will understand it. I teach sunday 
> school in church, and I take the materials they use and scan them with 
> OpenBook onto my computer. I also use the KNFB reader a lot with the iPhone, 
> so I can read something in church right on the spot. People give me rides to 
> church, and they get my food for me at a pot luck. I record the music as it 
> is being sung in church. I ask people with a loud voice, if I can place my 
> recorder by them so I can take the tape home and memorize the words. They 
> really get a kick out of it, and say that they feel like a super star having 
> their singing recorded. I take notes of the sermon in Church with a note 
> taker; that helps a lot. I take my technology to church just like I would to 
> work or school. I use a Braille note, with the KNFB reader. I still use an 
> Optacon, that I cannot imagine being without. One day, I teach 6th graders 
> in Sunday school, I heard a piece of paper sliding across the table around 
> me. I knew they were passing notes between each other. I took out my Optacon 
> out of my bag, and they were silent as I read out loud what they had been 
> writing and passing around. I can read a lot of people's hand writing with 
> the Optacon. They have never done that again. I feel so sorry for those who 
> have never had the oportunity to use an Optacon. You can feel the exact 
> shape of the print that you roll the camera over. It is right on the spot 
> reading in real time, and not having to depend on the OCR quality. I felt 
> all of my math symbols with the Optacon and was able to read all of my math 
> texts and science texts with the Optacon. Now, when I tutor, I know what 
> every math symbol looks like in print, because I felt it with the Optacon. I 
> can write a lot of math out for sighted people to read. I wish that the NFB 
> would fight for an Optacon project to bring the Optacon back more than 
> anything. For us who have used it, we all say that there is no current 
> technology that will ever totally replace the Optacon. I cried when I heard 
> that it would no longer be made. I really did. A lot of access to church 
> materials would be solved with the Optacon, because you can roll the camera 
> over any language or music, any symbols, and feel them. You can read 
> absolutely anything with the Optacon. Only you are the limit. I think that 
> it is really time for the NFB to do everything in their power to bring back 
> the Optacon, because it would solve so many accessibility problems with 
> math, science, languages, music, anything that is printed can be read with 
> the Optacon.
> Take care, Guys, How do I get a hold of the most important person about the 
> Optacon LOL!
> David Moore
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:58 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>
> Goodness I wish you were my math teacher! I really stink. It's not so much 
> the concepts as the fact that being low vision I can't put things in the 
> right slot. You know, when you have to do a Long division or algebraic stuff 
> improve your work. I can't get things in the right order so they lineup and 
> my numbers don't come out. They goodness for checkbook apps! I did pretty 
> well in statistics with some help. Totally agree with you David that human 
> beings are a blessing and shouldn't be thought of as a last resort. We're 
> going to need them on the job and if they understand I working with us how 
> we do things then leave educated later colleagues! Maybe future church 
> members? We really don't know what a lot of people do after college. They go 
> out into the wide world and by knowing us they understand why people a 
> little bit better than the rest. I am very glad you brought up the point 
> that sighted people need each other for help as well. They take rides from 
> each other. Sighted people have tutors for classes. They babysit each 
> other's kids. They pick up the mail for each other. They cook for each 
> other. They commute to work! So why would it ever be wrong to ask someone to 
> read something for us or help? It's our job to learn how to do things 
> alternatively so we can return the favor rather than looking like we only 
> need help.
>
> Ericka Short
> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
> Madison. WI. 53704
> 608-665-3170
>
> from my iPhone 6s
>
> > On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:14 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, good for you, Shikha,
> > My Degree was in mathematics, and I received my masters in mathematics 
> > Education. I have my own math tutoring business. I live in Columbus, Ohio. 
> > I have been to Maryland and DC, and the public transportation is so great. 
> > The metro train is so clean and fast. I am so proud of you. It was hard, 
> > because I attended The Ohio State University, and I lived in the dorm. I 
> > had many sighted friends, but sometimes, they did not understand why I 
> > could not have as much fun as they did LOL! I had to take more time 
> > studying, and I had to work harder then my sighted friends did to get good 
> > grades. I am blessed with a good mind, and I can memorize a lot of 
> > information. That really helped me, because I did not have to write 
> > everything down in Braille to remember it. I used audio tapes to learn 
> > from by listening to them. Most of my learning was by listening to readers 
> > and tapes. I went to school in the 1980s for my bachelorss, so there was 
> > not near as much technology then. I had to use readers who would read the 
> > book to me, and I would record them reading with a cassette recorder. Of 
> > course, now, I would do things totally different. Many classes are 
> > practically on line now, which would have been great for me, because I can 
> > access everything over the computer with my screen reader and Braille 
> > display. It is a different world now. I did get my masters in 2008, so I 
> > got to use all of the current technology to get my masters. It was 
> > beautiful to go to school at totally different times. One time in the 
> > 1980s, and the second time to get my masters in 2008. I was able to be in 
> > school when there was not all of the technology, and I was able to go to 
> > school with all of the technology. I think that all of the new technology 
> > has not replaced having readers, and taking advantage of help that people 
> > can give you instead of a OCR package or screen reader. No technology can 
> > replace people, and that concerns me a little. It is not wrong to depend 
> > on others to help you when you are blind. Even sighted people need a lot 
> > of help from others. I encourage you to use all technology available to 
> > you, but don't be afraid to ask for help from others when you need it. We 
> > all need each other, no matter if we are blind or sighted. Five classes is 
> > a lot. The most classes I took at one time was four classes.
> > David Moore
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:53 PM
> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> > Cc: Shikha
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
> >
> > I am a jr and taking core classes. Five social work classes.
> > My major is social work and I would like to move to Maryland or dc for my 
> > master. I would also like to permanently live and work in Maryland or dc!
> > I love this mailing list so we can encourage one another since being blind 
> > is challenging. Some sighted people will be rude and not open minded.
> >
> >
> > Shikha.
> >
> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:32 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shikha,
> >> I will be praying for you as well to do well in school. When I went to 
> >> college, it took me longer to study and to do all of the work because I 
> >> was blind. It just takes longer to do the job, but the results are still 
> >> the same. I think a blind person can do much better, because we have to 
> >> remember and work with the material more than a sighted person does. We 
> >> can't just flip through a textbook and high light what we want to cram 
> >> into our mind right before a test. We have to prepare more and plan more.
> >> Take care,
> >> David Moore
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:18 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Cc: Sarah Blake LaRose
> >> Subject: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
> >>
> >> Hi, Shikha.
> >>
> >> What classes are you taking this semester? You will be in my prayers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
> >> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 2:46 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Cc: Shikha
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: The Purpose of This List
> >>
> >> I will pray for everyone on this email  list!
> >> Please pray for me too since all of my core classes are challenging but
> >> manageable.
> >> Please be kind to everyone!
> >>
> >>
> >> Shikha.
> >>
> >>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk 
> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some info here may be helpful. At least in some strains of Islam, 
> >>> English versions of the Quran are not considered to be accurate--perhaps 
> >>> Mostafa can explain this more thoroughly. The same is the case in 
> >>> Judaism--Torah is read in Hebrew, and there was a debate over a long 
> >>> time about whether a braille Hebrew Torah was considered a faithful 
> >>> representation of sacred text because the shape of the letters was 
> >>> considered to have as much spiritual representation as the text itself.
> >>>
> >>> I will have more thoughts later about some of the topics raised this 
> >>> weekend. I am only online briefly today.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical languages
> >>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: debby via Faith-Talk
> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 10:02 AM
> >>> To: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >>> Cc: debby
> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
> >>>
> >>> I have seen a Braille Quran pardon my bad spelling, in Braille and I 
> >>> believe it was in English. I also know that the Mormons andthe Jehovah's 
> >>> Witnesses have material in braille, or at least they used to. My 
> >>> grandmother was a Jehovah's Witness and got me some braille stuff.
> >>>
> >>> How sad for this Muslim woman. Whether I agree with Islam or not, a 
> >>> person ought to be a to get accessible material in English if that's 
> >>> their primary language, and either bhl or audible.     Blessings, Debby
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:09 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk 
> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be helpful to me to understand the purpose of the list (and 
> >>>> the
> >>>> communities of faith division as well since I am new to NFB). I know 
> >>>> that
> >>>> the NFB has a division specifically for Jewish members. Where do 
> >>>> Muslims go
> >>>> in the There are valid reasons for members of particular faith groups 
> >>>> to
> >>>> come together to talk about blindness and faith. In both the Christian 
> >>>> and
> >>>> Jewish communities, there are networks of service probiders where 
> >>>> people go
> >>>> for their literature needs, religious education help, accessibility
> >>>> awareness training for faith communities, etc. I am not acquainted with 
> >>>> any
> >>>> providers of accessible material for blind Muslims in the United 
> >>>> States. I
> >>>> am, in fact, acquainted with some blind Muslims in the United States. 
> >>>> One of
> >>>> them told me she had a braille Quran in Arabic, but she did not know 
> >>>> how to
> >>>> read it and had nowhere to learn unless she went overseas. Friends, 
> >>>> this is
> >>>> not ok. Jews can learn Hebrew in the United States. Christians can 
> >>>> learn
> >>>> Hebrew and Greek if they want to study the Bible in its languages. As a
> >>>> matter of fact, in doctoral programs where people study biblical 
> >>>> languages,
> >>>> universities often encourage people to study Arabic so that the 
> >>>> linguistic
> >>>> structure can be compared with Hebrew.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical 
> >>>> languages
> >>>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >>>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:51 PM
> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>>> Cc: Brandon Olivares
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn’t go that far. If Islamic topics are banned, then so should be
> >>>> Christian topics. As David said, this is not a Christian list. It is a 
> >>>> list
> >>>> about faith.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree Mostafa goes overboard, but there shouldn’t be a blanket ban of
> >>>> Muslims posting. Your own opinions about Islam, or any other faith, are
> >>>> exactly that: your opinions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brandon
> >>>> > On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Emanuel via Faith-Talk
> >>>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Amen please dont poste things about islam here
> >>>> > Skickat från min kapsys
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> skrev:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Hi All,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I guess I need to post this again, even though it says it in the
> >>>> >> header, and maybe the footer of all the messges.  This list is
> >>>> >> for the discussion of faith and blindness.  Because I am a born
> >>>> >> again believer in Christ, I have allowed prayer requests, quotes,
> >>>> >> and articles that speak to listers who share them with us.  I
> >>>> >> believe that it's important, especially in these last days before
> >>>> >> Christ snatches His own away from this earth, to support and
> >>>> >> encourage each other.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> As for Adam, he's been asked not to post his false teachings
> >>>> >> here, but I can't stop him, and I can't unsubscribe him.  I don't
> >>>> >> believe that he is blind, either.  The best thing to do with his
> >>>> >> posts is to delete them without responding. The best thing to do
> >>>> >> for him is to pray for his soul's salvation.  First, though, he
> >>>> >> has to believe what the Bible says.  He believes that he has had
> >>>> >> additional revelations, including that the exodus hasn't
> >>>> >> happened, but will soon.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> As for Mostafa, he's a Muslim living in Egypt, and is blind, as
> >>>> >> far as I know.  He just wants to post his Islamic propoganda, and
> >>>> >> will not respond to anything we say in response.  He doesn't
> >>>> >> count what we believe as important, and wants us to convert to
> >>>> >> Islam.  So, do the same with his posts: delete them without
> >>>> >> responding. Pray for the salvation of his soul.  His God is not
> >>>> >> the one Christians worship.  Our God would not command us to kill
> >>>> >> those who disagree with us about morality and the Bible, but
> >>>> >> counts every life as precious because He created us all.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Anyway, this is still a free country, and people are free to join
> >>>> >> and post to this list as long as they are respectful of all the
> >>>> >> listers.  Use discretion.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Regards,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Linda Mentink, List Moderator
> >>>> >>
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