[Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Mon Sep 5 23:29:34 UTC 2016

Hi Debby,
That is so funny LOL! Many people have told me that. If a new Optacon was 
made with today's technology, there would be none of that noise LOL! Also, 
the symbol under your finger would be very confortable. That was technology 
from 1971. We could make the Optacon even talk as you roll the camera over a 
pill bottle, for example. It would be one beautiful device if it had memory 
and stored what you rolled the camera over, even a computer screen, and you 
could hear it as speech. This is all capable today, with the technology we 
have LOL! The KNFB reader is the closest app to the independence and 
accessibility blind people can enjoy. My prayers go out for those blind 
people who do not have the capability to use all technology, because of 
other disabilities that you have been talking about. Just think, there are 
people who cannot feel Braille with their finger tip. There are blind people 
with disabilities that affect their motor coordination. Using a smart phone, 
and even the computer depends so much on having good coordination. I am 
realizing just how much I take for granted. Take care, guys.
David Moore

Take care.
David Moore

-----Original Message----- 
From: debby via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 6:49 PM
To: David Moore via Faith-Talk
Cc: debby
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes

Hi David, I'm glad that you like the Optacon. I have !say that I absolutely 
hated it. I couldn't stand the noise it made, and I couldn't stand the feel 
on my fingers. I was ready !throw the thing across the room. LOL. I guess 
not all technology is for everyone. That's great how you showed those kids 
that they couldn't flay tricks on you. ′Smile′.    Blessings,    Debby

On Sep 5, 2016 3:13 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
>
> Hi Ericka,
> Thanks a lot. Let me know if you need help, because I can explain a 
> concept
> in so many different ways so any person will understand it. I teach sunday
> school in church, and I take the materials they use and scan them with
> OpenBook onto my computer. I also use the KNFB reader a lot with the 
> iPhone,
> so I can read something in church right on the spot. People give me rides 
> to
> church, and they get my food for me at a pot luck. I record the music as 
> it
> is being sung in church. I ask people with a loud voice, if I can place my
> recorder by them so I can take the tape home and memorize the words. They
> really get a kick out of it, and say that they feel like a super star 
> having
> their singing recorded. I take notes of the sermon in Church with a note
> taker; that helps a lot. I take my technology to church just like I would 
> to
> work or school. I use a Braille note, with the KNFB reader. I still use an
> Optacon, that I cannot imagine being without. One day, I teach 6th graders
> in Sunday school, I heard a piece of paper sliding across the table around
> me. I knew they were passing notes between each other. I took out my 
> Optacon
> out of my bag, and they were silent as I read out loud what they had been
> writing and passing around. I can read a lot of people's hand writing with
> the Optacon. They have never done that again. I feel so sorry for those 
> who
> have never had the oportunity to use an Optacon. You can feel the exact
> shape of the print that you roll the camera over. It is right on the spot
> reading in real time, and not having to depend on the OCR quality. I felt
> all of my math symbols with the Optacon and was able to read all of my 
> math
> texts and science texts with the Optacon. Now, when I tutor, I know what
> every math symbol looks like in print, because I felt it with the Optacon. 
> I
> can write a lot of math out for sighted people to read. I wish that the 
> NFB
> would fight for an Optacon project to bring the Optacon back more than
> anything. For us who have used it, we all say that there is no current
> technology that will ever totally replace the Optacon. I cried when I 
> heard
> that it would no longer be made. I really did. A lot of access to church
> materials would be solved with the Optacon, because you can roll the 
> camera
> over any language or music, any symbols, and feel them. You can read
> absolutely anything with the Optacon. Only you are the limit. I think that
> it is really time for the NFB to do everything in their power to bring 
> back
> the Optacon, because it would solve so many accessibility problems with
> math, science, languages, music, anything that is printed can be read with
> the Optacon.
> Take care, Guys, How do I get a hold of the most important person about 
> the
> Optacon LOL!
> David Moore
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 2:58 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
>
> Goodness I wish you were my math teacher! I really stink. It's not so much
> the concepts as the fact that being low vision I can't put things in the
> right slot. You know, when you have to do a Long division or algebraic 
> stuff
> improve your work. I can't get things in the right order so they lineup 
> and
> my numbers don't come out. They goodness for checkbook apps! I did pretty
> well in statistics with some help. Totally agree with you David that human
> beings are a blessing and shouldn't be thought of as a last resort. We're
> going to need them on the job and if they understand I working with us how
> we do things then leave educated later colleagues! Maybe future church
> members? We really don't know what a lot of people do after college. They 
> go
> out into the wide world and by knowing us they understand why people a
> little bit better than the rest. I am very glad you brought up the point
> that sighted people need each other for help as well. They take rides from
> each other. Sighted people have tutors for classes. They babysit each
> other's kids. They pick up the mail for each other. They cook for each
> other. They commute to work! So why would it ever be wrong to ask someone 
> to
> read something for us or help? It's our job to learn how to do things
> alternatively so we can return the favor rather than looking like we only
> need help.
>
> Ericka Short
> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
> Madison. WI. 53704
> 608-665-3170
>
> from my iPhone 6s
>
> > On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:14 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, good for you, Shikha,
> > My Degree was in mathematics, and I received my masters in mathematics
> > Education. I have my own math tutoring business. I live in Columbus, 
> > Ohio.
> > I have been to Maryland and DC, and the public transportation is so 
> > great.
> > The metro train is so clean and fast. I am so proud of you. It was hard,
> > because I attended The Ohio State University, and I lived in the dorm. I
> > had many sighted friends, but sometimes, they did not understand why I
> > could not have as much fun as they did LOL! I had to take more time
> > studying, and I had to work harder then my sighted friends did to get 
> > good
> > grades. I am blessed with a good mind, and I can memorize a lot of
> > information. That really helped me, because I did not have to write
> > everything down in Braille to remember it. I used audio tapes to learn
> > from by listening to them. Most of my learning was by listening to 
> > readers
> > and tapes. I went to school in the 1980s for my bachelorss, so there was
> > not near as much technology then. I had to use readers who would read 
> > the
> > book to me, and I would record them reading with a cassette recorder. Of
> > course, now, I would do things totally different. Many classes are
> > practically on line now, which would have been great for me, because I 
> > can
> > access everything over the computer with my screen reader and Braille
> > display. It is a different world now. I did get my masters in 2008, so I
> > got to use all of the current technology to get my masters. It was
> > beautiful to go to school at totally different times. One time in the
> > 1980s, and the second time to get my masters in 2008. I was able to be 
> > in
> > school when there was not all of the technology, and I was able to go to
> > school with all of the technology. I think that all of the new 
> > technology
> > has not replaced having readers, and taking advantage of help that 
> > people
> > can give you instead of a OCR package or screen reader. No technology 
> > can
> > replace people, and that concerns me a little. It is not wrong to depend
> > on others to help you when you are blind. Even sighted people need a lot
> > of help from others. I encourage you to use all technology available to
> > you, but don't be afraid to ask for help from others when you need it. 
> > We
> > all need each other, no matter if we are blind or sighted. Five classes 
> > is
> > a lot. The most classes I took at one time was four classes.
> > David Moore
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:53 PM
> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> > Cc: Shikha
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
> >
> > I am a jr and taking core classes. Five social work classes.
> > My major is social work and I would like to move to Maryland or dc for 
> > my
> > master. I would also like to permanently live and work in Maryland or 
> > dc!
> > I love this mailing list so we can encourage one another since being 
> > blind
> > is challenging. Some sighted people will be rude and not open minded.
> >
> >
> > Shikha.
> >
> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:32 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Shikha,
> >> I will be praying for you as well to do well in school. When I went to
> >> college, it took me longer to study and to do all of the work because I
> >> was blind. It just takes longer to do the job, but the results are 
> >> still
> >> the same. I think a blind person can do much better, because we have to
> >> remember and work with the material more than a sighted person does. We
> >> can't just flip through a textbook and high light what we want to cram
> >> into our mind right before a test. We have to prepare more and plan 
> >> more.
> >> Take care,
> >> David Moore
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 3:18 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Cc: Sarah Blake LaRose
> >> Subject: [Faith-talk] Shikha: classes
> >>
> >> Hi, Shikha.
> >>
> >> What classes are you taking this semester? You will be in my prayers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical 
> >> languages
> >> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha via Faith-Talk
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 2:46 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >> Cc: Shikha
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: The Purpose of This List
> >>
> >> I will pray for everyone on this email  list!
> >> Please pray for me too since all of my core classes are challenging but
> >> manageable.
> >> Please be kind to everyone!
> >>
> >>
> >> Shikha.
> >>
> >>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some info here may be helpful. At least in some strains of Islam,
> >>> English versions of the Quran are not considered to be 
> >>> accurate--perhaps
> >>> Mostafa can explain this more thoroughly. The same is the case in
> >>> Judaism--Torah is read in Hebrew, and there was a debate over a long
> >>> time about whether a braille Hebrew Torah was considered a faithful
> >>> representation of sacred text because the shape of the letters was
> >>> considered to have as much spiritual representation as the text 
> >>> itself.
> >>>
> >>> I will have more thoughts later about some of the topics raised this
> >>> weekend. I am only online briefly today.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical 
> >>> languages
> >>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: debby via Faith-Talk
> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 10:02 AM
> >>> To: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >>> Cc: debby
> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
> >>>
> >>> I have seen a Braille Quran pardon my bad spelling, in Braille and I
> >>> believe it was in English. I also know that the Mormons andthe 
> >>> Jehovah's
> >>> Witnesses have material in braille, or at least they used to. My
> >>> grandmother was a Jehovah's Witness and got me some braille stuff.
> >>>
> >>> How sad for this Muslim woman. Whether I agree with Islam or not, a
> >>> person ought to be a to get accessible material in English if that's
> >>> their primary language, and either bhl or audible.     Blessings, 
> >>> Debby
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 3, 2016 10:09 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be helpful to me to understand the purpose of the list (and
> >>>> the
> >>>> communities of faith division as well since I am new to NFB). I know
> >>>> that
> >>>> the NFB has a division specifically for Jewish members. Where do
> >>>> Muslims go
> >>>> in the There are valid reasons for members of particular faith groups
> >>>> to
> >>>> come together to talk about blindness and faith. In both the 
> >>>> Christian
> >>>> and
> >>>> Jewish communities, there are networks of service probiders where
> >>>> people go
> >>>> for their literature needs, religious education help, accessibility
> >>>> awareness training for faith communities, etc. I am not acquainted 
> >>>> with
> >>>> any
> >>>> providers of accessible material for blind Muslims in the United
> >>>> States. I
> >>>> am, in fact, acquainted with some blind Muslims in the United States.
> >>>> One of
> >>>> them told me she had a braille Quran in Arabic, but she did not know
> >>>> how to
> >>>> read it and had nowhere to learn unless she went overseas. Friends,
> >>>> this is
> >>>> not ok. Jews can learn Hebrew in the United States. Christians can
> >>>> learn
> >>>> Hebrew and Greek if they want to study the Bible in its languages. As 
> >>>> a
> >>>> matter of fact, in doctoral programs where people study biblical
> >>>> languages,
> >>>> universities often encourage people to study Arabic so that the
> >>>> linguistic
> >>>> structure can be compared with Hebrew.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sarah Blake LaRose, M.Div., accessible instruction in biblical
> >>>> languages
> >>>> Personal mail: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >>>> http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >>>> Info for seminaries and faith communities: http://www.night-light.org
> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Olivares via Faith-Talk
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:51 PM
> >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> >>>> Cc: Brandon Olivares
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The Purpose of This List
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn’t go that far. If Islamic topics are banned, then so should 
> >>>> be
> >>>> Christian topics. As David said, this is not a Christian list. It is 
> >>>> a
> >>>> list
> >>>> about faith.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree Mostafa goes overboard, but there shouldn’t be a blanket ban 
> >>>> of
> >>>> Muslims posting. Your own opinions about Islam, or any other faith, 
> >>>> are
> >>>> exactly that: your opinions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brandon
> >>>> > On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Emanuel via Faith-Talk
> >>>> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Amen please dont poste things about islam here
> >>>> > Skickat från min kapsys
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> skrev:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Hi All,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I guess I need to post this again, even though it says it in the
> >>>> >> header, and maybe the footer of all the messges.  This list is
> >>>> >> for the discussion of faith and blindness.  Because I am a born
> >>>> >> again believer in Christ, I have allowed prayer requests, quotes,
> >>>> >> and articles that speak to listers who share them with us.  I
> >>>> >> believe that it's important, especially in these last days before
> >>>> >> Christ snatches His own away from this earth, to support and
> >>>> >> encourage each other.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> As for Adam, he's been asked not to post his false teachings
> >>>> >> here, but I can't stop him, and I can't unsubscribe him.  I don't
> >>>> >> believe that he is blind, either.  The best thing to do with his
> >>>> >> posts is to delete them without responding. The best thing to do
> >>>> >> for him is to pray for his soul's salvation.  First, though, he
> >>>> >> has to believe what the Bible says.  He believes that he has had
> >>>> >> additional revelations, including that the exodus hasn't
> >>>> >> happened, but will soon.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> As for Mostafa, he's a Muslim living in Egypt, and is blind, as
> >>>> >> far as I know.  He just wants to post his Islamic propoganda, and
> >>>> >> will not respond to anything we say in response.  He doesn't
> >>>> >> count what we believe as important, and wants us to convert to
> >>>> >> Islam.  So, do the same with his posts: delete them without
> >>>> >> responding. Pray for the salvation of his soul.  His God is not
> >>>> >> the one Christians worship.  Our God would not command us to kill
> >>>> >> those who disagree with us about morality and the Bible, but
> >>>> >> counts every life as precious because He created us all.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Anyway, this is still a free country, and people are free to join
> >>>> >> and post to this list as long as they are respectful of all the
> >>>> >> listers.  Use discretion.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Regards,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Linda Mentink, List Moderator
> >>>> >>
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