[Faith-talk] Bible sources

Mon Jun 5 05:26:22 UTC 2017

David I am one of those people that can't use a computer. I couldn't do it with a lot more vision and I sure can't do it now. I live on this iPhone.

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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:01 AM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I feel the same way about using touch screens. I can use a keyboard so well, and I have tried using iPhones, but I just cannot do much of anything with a smooth touch screen LOL! I know blind people, though, who do not know how to use a computer at all, and can do a lot on their touch screen. I cannot imagine being like that. Maybe it is because I have been touching these keys for 35 years LOL! It seems like people who lose their sight later in life are handed an iPhone, and that is all they use. These people are not trained to use a computer.
> Interesting discussion!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:53 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Bible sources
> 
> Sandra,
> 
> I prefer devices with buttons for the same reasons.
> I see your issues with touch screens. They are intimidating and I tried one 
> with my ipod nano. The issue with the screen is they are so, so, sensative 
> and you have to keep your finger right in place to lift it and double tap 
> the right icon.
> 
> You might look into the Gusto 3 phone. It speaks the menus and can do basic 
> stuff for the internet including email.
> You might write to the NFB electronics list for more info as I do not have 
> much info on it and even if I did, its off topic here.
> 
> I'm no expert on those phones and tablets, but I believe on an android 
> device, you can do a split tap which means you tap once to hear the icon 
> spoken and hold your finger there and tap elsewhere  to activate the icon; 
> of course, this also requires some hand coordination; but IMO it might be 
> better than double tapping.
> 
> As I said before, there are other options to surf the internet, email and 
> read accessible books such as faith material.
> These ways have keyboards or devices with buttons.
> 
> You can use the pc and internet to download material such as podcasts and 
> books. Once done, you can listen to them on a number of devices.
> I believe android phones and the nexis have the ability to attach bluetooth 
> keyboards.
> 
> Other devices are stand alone book readers. For instance, there is the vr 
> stream, book sense, and braille notetakers can do all the internet stuff and 
> read books.
> The braille Note and Braille Sense polaris can do all these things.
> True its not as small as a phone, but, its light weight, portable, and has 
> buttons.
> 
> I would also guess the Amazon echo might be able to do all this stuff too. 
> Has anyone used it to go online and get anything faith related such as a 
> book, electronic devotional, or Bible text?
> 
> As to Bible sources, there are bibles in all formats. Electronic text is not 
> the only way.
> You can get bibles in audio form from a number of nonprofits. Lutheran 
> Braille Workers produces
> braille Bibles.
> 
> What other technology do you have  or want other than the pc?
> What do you need for sources? Is audio your only way? There are braille 
> sources too around.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sandra Streeter via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:00 AM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Sandra Streeter
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Bible sources
> 
> Yes, I spend most time on the computer, since I am still pretty frustrated 
> with touch screens. Even doing a double-tap doesn’t work for me—I can think 
> I’m in the same place with the second tap, and end up instead hitting a 
> different area—it’s easy to do on a touch screen where you may have half an 
> inch or an inch between items. It might be different if there were 
> orientation marks on the phone so you could have more control to stay where 
> you are during a multi-gesture command. But I just don’t like gestures, and 
> using my computer gives me ultimate control that using my cell does not. I 
> wish there were a way to have a cell with real keys plus full capability to 
> go on the Web, do emails, etc.—which was my goal when I got my ‘Droid, a 
> Samsung Core Prime. Before that, I had a Nexus, but between still being very 
> resistant to touch screens and the sounds annoying me, I left that for the 
> CP. A one-size-fits-all approach, which is what the accessible cell phone 
> industry seems to veer toward, doesn’t fit all—I don’t want to go back to a 
> straight phone-phone (my very first, years ago, was a Haven; then, 
> others—but you can’t do the Web with just that). Also, since I’m not much of 
> a talker, doing the commands by voice is bothersome to me—I’d rather push a 
> button. Okay, enough ranting.
> 
> On another topic, I’m sorry Jenny has left—she contributed a lot to our 
> discussions. Hopefully lesson learned—we all need to be cognizant of the 
> primacy of love; it doesn’t mean coddling, obviously, but it does have the 
> patience to assist someone with an issue and not to complain when they’ve 
> explained multiple times about their situation.
> 
> 
> 
> Sandra
> 
> Not “Revelation” – tis – that waits
> But our unfurnished eyes –
> (Emily Dickinson)
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