[Faith-talk] Bible sources

Mon Jun 5 05:32:31 UTC 2017

David,

Do you use other devices such as audio book players?
How do you read the bible? I do a combo of online and in braille.
I've used the Bible gateway website the most for Bible verses or chapters I 
wish to go and jump to; its fast this way since you have  drop down boxes 
you can select the chapter and verse you want.

I'm younger than you, but I've used a pc and keyboard ever since middle 
school and really was taught jaws well as a senior in high school.
So that's almost 20 years I've
been touching the standard keyboard.

I've also seen that people with later vision loss only use a smart phone, or 
worse, no tech at all.
They are not trained to use a pc unless they advocate for such training or 
are lucky enough to
live near a place such as the DC library or lighthouse for the blind which 
will offer them training to use the pc.

I'll just point out that there are other ways to read your faith based books 
or anything text based other than a pc. Now email you need the pc for if you 
want to use standard programs and standard keyboard.
But for books, you can use stand alone players that have text to speech 
abilities.
The victor reader stream can read books and Word files and even go online to 
download NLS and bookshare books.
I have the VR stratus. This device does not connect to the internet. It can 
play books in many formats and read text files. You have to download the 
content from another device such as a pc.
The stratus has buttons and the buttons are as large as the talking book 
player ones.

I've heard that the new Amazon Echo can read your books to you purchased 
from Amazon.
Has anyone used that to read a Bible or similar religious text?

Anyway, I'll try to not comment much more on technology since this is faith 
chatter.
Feel free to contact me off list if you want more info on the vr stream or 
stratus or braille Note. I've used all these products. I do not have the 
latest ones though as I cannot afford it. VR bought my braille note.
Email bookwormahb at earthlink.net.

I copied a few things faith related from online and put the text in a Word 
file. Then, I put the file on a thumb drive and read the file on my Braille 
Note braille display. It was more work, but I was glad to read it in braille 
and not be sitting at my pc.
I share Sandra's sentaments about processing human speech better.
That is one reason I used readers over scanning everything for studying.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Moore via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 1:01 AM
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Cc: David Moore
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Bible sources

Hi,
I feel the same way about using touch screens. I can use a keyboard so well, 
and I have tried using iPhones, but I just cannot do much of anything with a 
smooth touch screen LOL! I know blind people, though, who do not know how to 
use a computer at all, and can do a lot on their touch screen. I cannot 
imagine being like that. Maybe it is because I have been touching these keys 
for 35 years LOL! It seems like people who lose their sight later in life 
are handed an iPhone, and that is all they use. These people are not trained 
to use a computer.
Interesting discussion!
David Moore
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From: Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:53 AM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Bible sources

Sandra,

I prefer devices with buttons for the same reasons.
I see your issues with touch screens. They are intimidating and I tried one
with my ipod nano. The issue with the screen is they are so, so, sensative
and you have to keep your finger right in place to lift it and double tap
the right icon.

You might look into the Gusto 3 phone. It speaks the menus and can do basic
stuff for the internet including email.
You might write to the NFB electronics list for more info as I do not have
much info on it and even if I did, its off topic here.

I'm no expert on those phones and tablets, but I believe on an android
device, you can do a split tap which means you tap once to hear the icon
spoken and hold your finger there and tap elsewhere  to activate the icon;
of course, this also requires some hand coordination; but IMO it might be
better than double tapping.

As I said before, there are other options to surf the internet, email and
read accessible books such as faith material.
These ways have keyboards or devices with buttons.

You can use the pc and internet to download material such as podcasts and
books. Once done, you can listen to them on a number of devices.
I believe android phones and the nexis have the ability to attach bluetooth
keyboards.

Other devices are stand alone book readers. For instance, there is the vr
stream, book sense, and braille notetakers can do all the internet stuff and
read books.
The braille Note and Braille Sense polaris can do all these things.
True its not as small as a phone, but, its light weight, portable, and has
buttons.

I would also guess the Amazon echo might be able to do all this stuff too.
Has anyone used it to go online and get anything faith related such as a
book, electronic devotional, or Bible text?

As to Bible sources, there are bibles in all formats. Electronic text is not
the only way.
You can get bibles in audio form from a number of nonprofits. Lutheran
Braille Workers produces
braille Bibles.

What other technology do you have  or want other than the pc?
What do you need for sources? Is audio your only way? There are braille
sources too around.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sandra Streeter via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 12:00 AM
To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: [Faith-talk] Bible sources

Yes, I spend most time on the computer, since I am still pretty frustrated
with touch screens. Even doing a double-tap doesn’t work for me—I can think
I’m in the same place with the second tap, and end up instead hitting a
different area—it’s easy to do on a touch screen where you may have half an
inch or an inch between items. It might be different if there were
orientation marks on the phone so you could have more control to stay where
you are during a multi-gesture command. But I just don’t like gestures, and
using my computer gives me ultimate control that using my cell does not. I
wish there were a way to have a cell with real keys plus full capability to
go on the Web, do emails, etc.—which was my goal when I got my ‘Droid, a
Samsung Core Prime. Before that, I had a Nexus, but between still being very
resistant to touch screens and the sounds annoying me, I left that for the
CP. A one-size-fits-all approach, which is what the accessible cell phone
industry seems to veer toward, doesn’t fit all—I don’t want to go back to a
straight phone-phone (my very first, years ago, was a Haven; then,
others—but you can’t do the Web with just that). Also, since I’m not much of
a talker, doing the commands by voice is bothersome to me—I’d rather push a
button. Okay, enough ranting.

On another topic, I’m sorry Jenny has left—she contributed a lot to our
discussions. Hopefully lesson learned—we all need to be cognizant of the
primacy of love; it doesn’t mean coddling, obviously, but it does have the
patience to assist someone with an issue and not to complain when they’ve
explained multiple times about their situation.

Sandra

Not “Revelation” – tis – that waits
But our unfurnished eyes –
(Emily Dickinson)

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