[Faith-talk] Link I mentioned

Wed Jun 28 21:21:36 UTC 2017

I agree with Sheila too. The relationship with Christ is important. Without 
a relationship, the church would be meaningless.
I also think a church has a role. So I do not go as far as to think like 
David in that you don't need a church to understand scripture. I feel that 
the church has a role in helping you learn and interpret the bible in a 
structured
way. I'll read the article now.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sheila Leigland via Faith-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 9:06 AM
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Cc: Sheila Leigland
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Link I mentioned

well said David that precious relationship of you and Jesus is all
important. wi;thout him church and everything to do with it is meaningless.

On 6/28/2017 1:42 AM, David Moore via Faith-Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> I read this article, and I totally understand and celebrate why 
> millennials want to get back to the meaningful older traditions. However, 
> I personally do not need the sacraments and littergy to find this meaning. 
> I find this deep meaning and have constant joy and meaning from having a 
> one on one personal relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus. I did not 
> see that mensioned in this article at all, just knowing Jesus, and making 
> him a part of everything you do. I know that Jesus holds my hand 
> everywhere I go, and I consult him about everything in my everyday life. I 
> even pray to him when I turn on my computer, that he will keep it safe. I 
> just do not see this in the article. Also, I have studied the Word of God 
> for 30 years, and I still hunger for it, and I learn something new every 
> time I read a passage. I get tears in my eyes just sitting here in the 
> chair talking to Jesus, and really getting into his word. I do not see 
> anything in this article about getting into and applying the word of God 
> into your life. I get all of the meaning I can stand by trying to apply 
> God’s word. I do not need these experiences that people say they get from 
> a littergical service. The bread and wine are to comemorate the braking of 
> Jesus’s body, and the blood he shed for our sins, but the bread and wine 
> stay that way, they do not change into something that is super natural 
> like this article talks about. I personally can’t wait to listen to the 
> Word of God many times a day. I don’t have to be in church at all, to 
> experience Jesus Christ putting his arms around me, loving me, and seeing 
> him work in my everyday life. I do not even have to go to church to see 
> all of that. Jesus, to me, is someone who works in my life 24/7, not just 
> during communion. I get tears in my eyes reading in the gospels how Jesus 
> was whipped almost to death, blind folded and punched in the face, and 
> finally, nailed to the cross just for me. He rose again, just for me. He 
> would have done all he did just for me. Now to me, that is the greatest 
> experience I can have. I just don’t understand what people are looking for 
> outside of just knowing that Jesus did all of that, personally just for 
> them. I have greater experiences with Jesus, here in my living room, than 
> I have at a building called a church. God’s church is made up of 
> Christians. The building I am in does nothing for me. It is the people 
> around me and giving to them, no matter what kind of experience I am 
> having. I experience the best joy from my personal Lord and Savior 24/7. I 
> don’t get this. I experience the love of Jesus 24/7.
> I guess this is my comment on this!
> Have a great one,
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Christine A. Olivares via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:29 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Christine A. Olivares
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Link I mentioned
>
> Erika and others,
> Here is the link I mentioned.
>
> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-millennials-long-for-liturgy/
>
>
> It will be interesting to get perspectives on this.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> What does die just mowed do? What is its advantages, and it's 
>> disadvantages.
>>
>> No, I didn't decide to go to the Catholic Church because her friends. I 
>> actually chose it for the reasons that I stated. Yes it's more 
>> traditional, but it's more in line with what I like, not just like isn't 
>> personal thing, but when I believe in. Anyhow, I know it doesn't make 
>> sense to a lot of people. But I just can't go in somewhere that I can't 
>> deal with the situations of leadership and such as that. And I can't go 
>> into a church that has no hierarchy that can do it they want to, and 
>> didn't have a rock party every service. You can "say in the Bible that 
>> you want to or not. I don't believe that's what God wants.
>>
>> I have grown up with the zero situations where people could do what they 
>> want to do in church. Never, ever, ever, ever will I deal with that 
>> again. I went through hell and high water to deal with that. And it took 
>> me a long time to end up back in church. And, there are no Missouri Synod 
>> churches here that are going to stay alive. All of them or all of the one 
>> we have here, it's on its way to death. So, there are ELCA churches, and 
>> as I said, no, I don't have the right to judge anybody. But, no one, and 
>> my believe, can be in leadership and be actively game. It just can't 
>> happen.
>>
>> You're right, there aren't any perfect churches. But people don't 
>> understand that the gospel is preached and emphasized in the Catholic 
>> Church. They see what they want to, and don't really know the truth. 
>> Don't really see the inner core of what they what it is. Everybody sees 
>> the outs The outside of the cathedral, the Rose, the prayers, all that 
>> stuff, but they never see the emphasis on the Gospel. Which is what is 
>> emphasized the most in the mass. So, again, people can see what they want 
>> to. But I don't bother opening the situation up to really see what's 
>> inside.
>>
>> I'm glad we can talk about it, because everybody does have the right to 
>> believe what they believe. And you're right, everyone has to take their 
>> situation and stop and realize taking stock in what they believe in. Not 
>> just going with the flow. So, that's everybody. Not just me. So, good 
>> night y'all. ide.
>>
>>
>> Jenny
>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mine doesn't come and digest. You might want to double check on the 
>>> website to see if somehow your preferences got changed. I think I did 
>>> that once by accident somehow.
>>>
>>> I'll try to call you Monday as well Jenny. It's not right to pick a 
>>> church just because it is more traditional anymore than it is to pick a 
>>> church just because it is the closest one to your apartment. If you 
>>> don't believe the tenants of the faith it's not right for you. No church 
>>> is perfect because every church, every faith has human beings attempting 
>>> to live out their face to the best of their ability. Some of them work 
>>> harder at it than others! But there are churches out there that are more 
>>> True to the Bible and more living the faith they preach than others. I 
>>> don't want you to attend Catholic mass just because it's traditional, 
>>> you agree with most of its political views, and because you can get a 
>>> ride. I know you're still trying to establish what you believe. I just 
>>> want to hug you because I'm sure this is so difficult. We should all be 
>>> re-examining our faith every once in a while.  I mean checking to make 
>>> sure that what's in our heart and how we act is still in line with what 
>>> we believe. Not that we need a congregational change, but that we become 
>>> spiritually complacent.
>>>
>>> Ericka Short
>>>
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