[Faith-talk] Link I mentioned

Sheila Leigland sheila.leigland at gmail.com
Thu Jun 29 15:06:40 UTC 2017 

hi, I didn't mean to imply that the church isn't important because I; 
know that it is. worshipping with other believers helps me stay grounded 
and I learn about the prospective of others.


On 6/28/2017 3:21 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk wrote:
> I agree with Sheila too. The relationship with Christ is important. 
> Without a relationship, the church would be meaningless.
> I also think a church has a role. So I do not go as far as to think 
> like David in that you don't need a church to understand scripture. I 
> feel that the church has a role in helping you learn and interpret the 
> bible in a structured
> way. I'll read the article now.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Leigland via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 9:06 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Sheila Leigland
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Link I mentioned
>
> well said David that precious relationship of you and Jesus is all
> important. wi;thout him church and everything to do with it is 
> meaningless.
>
>
> On 6/28/2017 1:42 AM, David Moore via Faith-Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I read this article, and I totally understand and celebrate why 
>> millennials want to get back to the meaningful older traditions. 
>> However, I personally do not need the sacraments and littergy to find 
>> this meaning. I find this deep meaning and have constant joy and 
>> meaning from having a one on one personal relationship with my Lord 
>> and Savior Jesus. I did not see that mensioned in this article at 
>> all, just knowing Jesus, and making him a part of everything you do. 
>> I know that Jesus holds my hand everywhere I go, and I consult him 
>> about everything in my everyday life. I even pray to him when I turn 
>> on my computer, that he will keep it safe. I just do not see this in 
>> the article. Also, I have studied the Word of God for 30 years, and I 
>> still hunger for it, and I learn something new every time I read a 
>> passage. I get tears in my eyes just sitting here in the chair 
>> talking to Jesus, and really getting into his word. I do not see 
>> anything in this article about getting into and applying the word of 
>> God into your life. I get all of the meaning I can stand by trying to 
>> apply God’s word. I do not need these experiences that people say 
>> they get from a littergical service. The bread and wine are to 
>> comemorate the braking of Jesus’s body, and the blood he shed for our 
>> sins, but the bread and wine stay that way, they do not change into 
>> something that is super natural like this article talks about. I 
>> personally can’t wait to listen to the Word of God many times a day. 
>> I don’t have to be in church at all, to experience Jesus Christ 
>> putting his arms around me, loving me, and seeing him work in my 
>> everyday life. I do not even have to go to church to see all of that. 
>> Jesus, to me, is someone who works in my life 24/7, not just during 
>> communion. I get tears in my eyes reading in the gospels how Jesus 
>> was whipped almost to death, blind folded and punched in the face, 
>> and finally, nailed to the cross just for me. He rose again, just for 
>> me. He would have done all he did just for me. Now to me, that is the 
>> greatest experience I can have. I just don’t understand what people 
>> are looking for outside of just knowing that Jesus did all of that, 
>> personally just for them. I have greater experiences with Jesus, here 
>> in my living room, than I have at a building called a church. God’s 
>> church is made up of Christians. The building I am in does nothing 
>> for me. It is the people around me and giving to them, no matter what 
>> kind of experience I am having. I experience the best joy from my 
>> personal Lord and Savior 24/7. I don’t get this. I experience the 
>> love of Jesus 24/7.
>> I guess this is my comment on this!
>> Have a great one,
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Christine A. Olivares via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:29 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: Christine A. Olivares
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Link I mentioned
>>
>> Erika and others,
>> Here is the link I mentioned.
>>
>> http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-millennials-long-for-liturgy/ 
>>
>>
>>
>> It will be interesting to get perspectives on this.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> What does die just mowed do? What is its advantages, and it's 
>>> disadvantages.
>>>
>>> No, I didn't decide to go to the Catholic Church because her 
>>> friends. I actually chose it for the reasons that I stated. Yes it's 
>>> more traditional, but it's more in line with what I like, not just 
>>> like isn't personal thing, but when I believe in. Anyhow, I know it 
>>> doesn't make sense to a lot of people. But I just can't go in 
>>> somewhere that I can't deal with the situations of leadership and 
>>> such as that. And I can't go into a church that has no hierarchy 
>>> that can do it they want to, and didn't have a rock party every 
>>> service. You can "say in the Bible that you want to or not. I don't 
>>> believe that's what God wants.
>>>
>>> I have grown up with the zero situations where people could do what 
>>> they want to do in church. Never, ever, ever, ever will I deal with 
>>> that again. I went through hell and high water to deal with that. 
>>> And it took me a long time to end up back in church. And, there are 
>>> no Missouri Synod churches here that are going to stay alive. All of 
>>> them or all of the one we have here, it's on its way to death. So, 
>>> there are ELCA churches, and as I said, no, I don't have the right 
>>> to judge anybody. But, no one, and my believe, can be in leadership 
>>> and be actively game. It just can't happen.
>>>
>>> You're right, there aren't any perfect churches. But people don't 
>>> understand that the gospel is preached and emphasized in the 
>>> Catholic Church. They see what they want to, and don't really know 
>>> the truth. Don't really see the inner core of what they what it is. 
>>> Everybody sees the outs The outside of the cathedral, the Rose, the 
>>> prayers, all that stuff, but they never see the emphasis on the 
>>> Gospel. Which is what is emphasized the most in the mass. So, again, 
>>> people can see what they want to. But I don't bother opening the 
>>> situation up to really see what's inside.
>>>
>>> I'm glad we can talk about it, because everybody does have the right 
>>> to believe what they believe. And you're right, everyone has to take 
>>> their situation and stop and realize taking stock in what they 
>>> believe in. Not just going with the flow. So, that's everybody. Not 
>>> just me. So, good night y'all. ide.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mine doesn't come and digest. You might want to double check on the 
>>>> website to see if somehow your preferences got changed. I think I 
>>>> did that once by accident somehow.
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to call you Monday as well Jenny. It's not right to pick a 
>>>> church just because it is more traditional anymore than it is to 
>>>> pick a church just because it is the closest one to your apartment. 
>>>> If you don't believe the tenants of the faith it's not right for 
>>>> you. No church is perfect because every church, every faith has 
>>>> human beings attempting to live out their face to the best of their 
>>>> ability. Some of them work harder at it than others! But there are 
>>>> churches out there that are more True to the Bible and more living 
>>>> the faith they preach than others. I don't want you to attend 
>>>> Catholic mass just because it's traditional, you agree with most of 
>>>> its political views, and because you can get a ride. I know you're 
>>>> still trying to establish what you believe. I just want to hug you 
>>>> because I'm sure this is so difficult. We should all be 
>>>> re-examining our faith every once in a while.  I mean checking to 
>>>> make sure that what's in our heart and how we act is still in line 
>>>> with what we believe. Not that we need a congregational change, but 
>>>> that we become spiritually complacent.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>
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