[Faith-talk] Help with Morman Missionaries

[Christine A. Olivares]

Hi Jenny,
Sounds like some people are persistent. I'm sure Brandon may comment, but there was a time he was a Jehovah Witness. When he left, people tried and tried to call him too. It took lots of ignoring for them to stop bugging him. The sad thing is he lost friends because they believed in only being friends with their own religion. So it was very traumatizing for him.

I would suggest just not answering the phone, and if you do just be nice, gracious, and thank them for everything but you found peace somewhere else. Eventually they will leave you alone.

God bless,
Christine

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> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:48 AM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm sorry I took everything really offensive, I didn't mean to. I'm just still dealing with a lot of crap in my head too. I know where my heart is, and I know the most important thing to me. Which is Christ and his salvation. So, being that I'm coming from a very hurt situation with the LDS church, which you can definitely understand :-) it's kind of hard to figure out where my bearings are.
> 
> I was really impressed by central Christian church when they called me today. I thought it was wonderful. They wanted to make sure that they didn't do anything to offend me, they hadn't heard from you in a while, so they wanted to make sure that I didn't offend them, that they did what I needed to be included, excepted, and that they make sure that they could do everything that they needed to do to make sure that I felt more welcome. The big thing though, is they wanted to make sure that I did not feel ignored or forgotten. Which I thought was really sweet.
> 
> I did let them know that being from a various situation where loudness can get to me, and, it's not exactly the way that I prefer to worship as far as the music goes, I just made it difficult for me. 
> 
> I also had said, that due to the fact that the stuff can't be real, I had no way of learning the words, or even hearing them even if they were repeated constantly, because if you can't understand a word the first time, you can't understand it the next 40 times it's being repeated :-)
> 
> So, they could understand that. They all said that yes, they could have an idea of what that's like to not be able to know the words and to be confused. When they did a new song, the group would forget to change the screen, so nothing would be up there. They understood the frustration that I would have felt. So, and because I'm just not used to that kind of service, and not really comfortable with it. I did let them know that I really love their their warm,, And excepting church. And that I truly knew that what they did was kind and wonderful. And definitely a Christian church.
> 
> But, I just couldn't deal with the other situations. As far as I can tell, the churches of Christ just weren't big enough, and, it was already easier to go to a Catholic church. I know we disagree on that, and that's OK, I wouldn't want you to go and worship, and believe something you don't. I think it's great that you have your convictions. And, I do too. I tried to deny it, for a really long time. Even when I entered the LDS church again. I come from a Catholic background for a while, but didn't feel a part of. And, that made things difficult considering the way I felt about the Catholic Church. It was my home it wasn't something that I really felt much of a part of. Again, it was a matter of yes can I give things to the church to, or, was I prevented from it. Which, I don't like not being able to give back. I'm one of those people that gives back everything I can. And for me, that's my voice. And I know people don't understand that. But, it's the way I grew up.
> 
> When you were raised in a situation where there was nothing but hell, chaos, and absolute upheaval at the second that you didn't know that it was going to get there, or you didn't expect it, you did everything you could to try to do something to distract yourself from it. My crazy mother didn't figure out, and still doesn't know to this day, that the reason that I sing the songs that I do, even though they're slow, romantic, valid, sad ones, all that stuff, so that I could get out my pain and discussed of what I was going through as a kid. I could say what I needed to say to say that I was hurting, without letting her know that, so I'll be abuse wouldn't be heaped on even more
> 
> And she was so narcissistic that she believed that she got credit and try to get credit for my voice, which I will leave and was told was a gift from God, from anybody but her.  If she could take credit for it I look like the most wonderful, and perfect mother ever there was, she did, so, that was another way that I could have a few days and some time where I wasn't being abused. Because she was so concerned about her looking good, that she didn't concentrate on her own weird psychological mental crap
> 
> Unfortunately, I went for the first place I was ever included, the LDS church happened to be that when I was 12, again about 15 years later, and 15 years later well, here I am coming out of it again. But, as I have gotten older and smarter. There's absolutely nothing that I would do to be included in that. I don't care how alone isolated, or even on a desert island and baby the only way off, that I would ever do that to myself again. Much less it is so far out of crazy but it doesn't even begin to be funny.
> 
> But again, I do want to apologize, because I didn't come at you when I shouldn't have. And, it just was one of those things, then I was finally finding a grip. And, I just was freaked by any challenge on that one. And, am I going to change my mind about the Catholic Church, no, but, I finally have found a sure foundation. And, for the first time, there's actually A priest who has said no more, it is not OK for you to be left out, it is not OK for you to even feel left out, so, I believe he is going to work with me as far as getting me more involved in the church. Not because I want to be, to make myself happy, but, mainly it's my voice that gives me what I can get back to the church. Also the way I can give back to kids, but, that takes A little more time than most, do you know how sometimes when people have in the stag mess, which, I call it my Google he eyes to the kids, that kids don't handle that well. They are just afraid of anything really weird, until then, that's weird.
> 
> I can though, fortunately it is a small enough parish, considering most parishes don't particularly care much for the mountain right, so, there are a couple of special needs people in the mass or in the parish. There is one guy he's an adult, but he has severe autism, and it makes it difficult for him to be able to control himself, verbally, it's not just Tourette's syndrome, they said but he is definitely severely autistic, but he doesn't say anything of any sort of something that anyone would understand. You would have to really know him to be able to understand him. But, from what I can understand, he does have written verbal skills, so, for someway, I don't think his brain can go from brain to mouth as easily as weekend. So, at least he can communicate that way. Where I'm going with that is, but he spends the majority of them at mask making quite loud noises. But, nobody says anything. Which I think is great, during the whole mass, from beginning to end, and doing the sermon to, no one makes a big deal out of it or any deal of it at all. It's just something that's normal at St. Mary's.
> 
> There is also a boy name Thaddeus Who likes to sit in the front pew with his mom. Which is where I sit, so, it's really cute, I don't really hear him much even though he's in the same pew. But he likes the wiggle around like a little boy. Just a big your boy with a developmental disability. Again, no big deal, no one says anything, no one makes a big deal that he wiggles and squiggles all over the place. It's just the way it is. So, this priest, who hasn't been there for more than I don't know nine months max, is going to make it a point to where I can have the music for the beginning and end song, and, work with whatever needs to be done so that I can be involved in the choir when I'm ready, and, to make sure that I feel comfortable enough, to go up to this choir director and ask. Confidently. And not worry about getting turn down out of ignorance, and apparently, this director has been acquired director or a zillion choirs, including St. Mary's along time ago. So, in the priests, and others part, including those who know him, they don't think that he hasn't seen someone who has some sort of disability at one time or another. I also really don't feel like that would be an issue with the choir. I did decide though, after having gone to St. Mary's again for a full mass, that I was going to stay down in the regular part of the sanctuary for a little longer. I want time to relearn the fall stuff that is normal he said and song at the mass. So that I will have my ducks in a row when I go for the choir.
> 
> You have been an encouragement to me never believe that you're not. Or that you want. It was a hard decision to make. And it took a lot of prayer, and I had to make really hard choices. But, it all comes down to what the Holy Spirit leads me too. So, I'm sure you understand, and whether either one of us agree with the other, we can respect each other. And Love each other as we know that Christ would love us and does low love us so that we both just like everybody on the list, can lift each other up. No matter our differences.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenny
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:00 AM, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jenny! I am happy you had that feeling like you were wrapped in the arms of God. I will pray for you, that God leads you to where he wants you to be!
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Nathaniel Kile via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:56 AM
>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion'
>> Cc: Nathaniel Kile
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Pretty much have made my face decision
>> 
>> Make sure that you choose a face that has a smile, and looks like Jesus and
>> you will be doing very well. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
>> Keller via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:51 PM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Pretty much have made my face decision
>> 
>> Hi, I think I have decided my face right now. I have had most of my friends
>> who are Catholic. And I was went also. They have their Latin right church
>> here, and most of my friends go there as well. They have been wonderful
>> about wanting to take me to and from the church, and also, if I want to go
>> to choir practice, but they would pay for it as well.
>> 
>> The only struggle I have now is I found out there is an Orthodox Catholic
>> church. It comes from the root of the Russian orthodox church, but it is
>> definitely a Catholic Church.
>> 
>> I have always loved the orthodox church and their way of service more than
>> the Catholic mass. But, the mass has been that way for ever. And, I am
>> learning more and more about the Latin translation. I noticed though, that
>> the priest does not enunciate very well during the mass, and he doesn't
>> raise his voice loud enough. I like if he Latin mass better than English
>> because English masses people run out after an hour, or right after
>> communion. So, people in the letter right do not ever do that unless it is a
>> situation of urgent need. The sanctuary, which we call the nave, is very
>> quiet and  in reference to begin with. Just looking at it even from the door
>> is absolutely wonderful. It's not necessarily the windows or the statues or
>> stuff. It's just beautiful in itself. And has a beautiful peaceful feel.
>> 
>> The inner part where the priest is is called the sanctuary. And nobody goes
>> there unless they have been allowed by the priest. And definitely not women.
>> At least not that I know The Latin masses have been around forever. I think
>> they were the first. So, that makes me want to stay with them. Plus, I do
>> what's called the liturgy of the hours. Which is every three hours, then
>> Novus ordo, which means the new Wright that the English churches use is
>> pretty much a cliff notes compared to the old Latin right. I also have it in
>> English, so I can read it comfortably. I also have the mask translated in
>> English also. And the Xavier society is sending me the real copy so that I
>> can learn the words to sing it as well. They have also gotten a new choir
>> director who starts on Wednesday night. I'm not sure if I want to speak with
>> him just yet. And just wait until I am going to a little more masses so that
>> I can learn the way that they saying and what they use the most. That's
>> important. Because I don't want to come out looking stupid. The only other
>> option though, which I have tossed around, is, to ask him if I can sit in on
>> the practices, but, I would not send until he felt it was comfortable. That
>> he felt that I was doing enough that I could make the choir at mass. From
>> what I understand, he has been around for a long time, and actually was the
>> choir director at St. Mary's for a while. So, I have heard wonderful things
>> about him. I also have been told not to be afraid of him and to talk with
>> him. Because he has worked with so many courses, that he has probably run
>> into at least one blind person and his work.
>> 
>> I say a blank person, because a lot of choir directors get panicked when we
>> talk about starting in the choir. I'm sure some of us can relate. They
>> freaked out answers are, you can't read music. You can't read words, you
>> can't see the conductor so you don't know when to cut off. All that stuff.
>> When we actually do know this information. And, if we don't know when to cut
>> off because they've changed it, I specifically, and I'm sure others that are
>> blank as well and work with conductors will understand, that if it is a
>> situation where the song and and the conductor and piano slows it down, so,
>> they may decide to cut off and different timing then they normally would.
>> That is a lot of what they talk about, how would you know how to cut up when
>> we don't always cut off at the same time. Also, my response to that is, if
>> there is a word that you cut off on a different timing, I will just not
>> seeing the word period. So that, I don't make that mistake. Or, I will sing
>> the word and cut off very shortly before the time and even happens. I'm sure
>> that a lot of us who have been inquires understand that we don't always pick
>> up the melody as fast as we would like, so, I have learned when we are in a
>> choir situation especially when it's completely ready to be done, I just
>> don't sing that part. Or I'm not sure of that word Melody, so I don't saying
>> that word. Again, I don't want to make those mistakes.
>> 
>> The people in the church that have been there for a while say that he is a
>> wonderful person. That he is really cool about people coming in to the
>> choir. But, it might take some time. I'm a little afraid to bombard him on
>> his first Sunday. So. I will figure it out later.
>> 
>> I told father cock shell that I was worried and sad about feeling left out
>> of the church because the only people that respond to the priest
>> back-and-forth is the choir. So, it would leave me out. But, I softly son
>> what I knew. And no one heard me. So, I didn't feel left out at that point.
>> I still worship the music. It's just that nobody hurt. And, he was right, I
>> didn't feel left out, in fact, I felt a piece I haven't felt in a very long
>> time. It was like being in the Lords arms. Or against his chest. With his
>> arms around me. I felt so comfortable and at peace. Also, I had gotten to
>> take communion after about 2 1/2 years, and, St. Mary's is the only church
>> here that has a communion rail, which I have always thought was much more
>> reverent then the conveyor belt thing and I mean no disrespect for those who
>> do this. But, when you come from a communion real situation and that's the
>> first time you ever had it. It's a little expected when you do that, and, I
>> have always felt like I was going by the conveyor belt. We go to the line,
>> you get the body, walk to the next person that has the blood, and you go and
>> sit down. And everybody just times like a conveyor belt. It's nonstop until
>> the last person is there. I don't know why they have gotten rid of the
>> communion rail, because most of the Catholic churches over all have had
>> them. Some of the older churches have taken them out.
>> 
>> It was so quiet in there, even when the mass was happening, and the choir
>> saying, it was so very peaceful, and I did not hurt because of the fact that
>> I wasn't in the choir. I was OK, and felt like I was a part of the mass,
>> just like Channing Coxville had said. 
>> 
>> I finally found out what confession really was. I thought it was the priest
>> like Christ's conduit like Christ was inside the priest like physically. And
>> gives you 10 it's like 20 Hail Mary. But, what I feel of confession, is that
>> I don't spew a laundry list of symptoms that I have done. I will save us in,
>> and then tell him why I do this in. Bother coxal would talk to me about what
>> I had told him the reason why I tended to do these things. Again, he didn't
>> feel I was justifying things either, I just told him that I needed to find
>> out how to behave differently, or how to get rid of things that would make
>> me a particular way and got me to Sin. So, I felt better about it. Also,
>> when he does the absolution, which, is in Latin and that church obviously.
>> He basically reminds us that we are forgiven by Christ. And, Christ is not
>> possessing the father. So to speak. He gives the father and the Holy Spirit
>> would tell him to give through Christ. To say the right things and able to
>> help us spiritually. I actually considered confession as a spiritual
>> guidance thing. I know it sounds weird. But, that something that I really
>> enjoyed. I take mine every week. Some people do it every year. And that
>> means once a year.
>> 
>> I guess I'll shut up now. But, what would you think about the Orthodox
>> Catholic church. I don't really feel as though I should try it, because my
>> other friends go to St. Mary's. And, I tend to be making more and more
>> friends as the church actually has a coffee hour that people stay and talk
>> after work. They actually have problems and a lot of the churches about
>> people hanging out for coffee. Again, they take up after communion. Or
>> you're in such a hurry, we'll go out before the priest. And the priests get
>> phone calls from unhappy parishioners if the mask goes over an hour. Can you
>> imagine. The Latin church, and I'm sure the Orthodox Catholic as well, don't
>> have that problem. So, it's wonderful to go downstairs and meet people.
>> There's a little girl that always runs up and hugs me. No act asking. Just
>> runs up and give me the biggest hug. I haven't seen her in about a year or
>> so, and she's gotten so big. I went to see her today and talk to her. I told
>> her she dropped really fast. I asked her can I have a hug. And, before she
>> left. I got the running hug even though she was bigger than she was before.
>> Her parents also laughed a lot, I think they laughed a lot when Helen ran up
>> and gave me a hug the one she normally did when she was a short little
>> thing. But, I was good to have it. I had missed it so much. And they missed
>> me, I didn't realize it, but they did.
>> 
>> Pray for me.
>> 
>> Jenny
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