[Faith-talk] Dilemma
Ashley Bramlett
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Thu Jun 29 21:57:35 UTC 2017
Jenny,
Probably last I'll say on this. Why can't you get the text to the hymns in
braille and read them?
Have you checked into that? Many hymnals are in braille. I do not know what
is available in the denomination you are in.
I mean don't just complain without looking into the accomodations.
Maybe xavier society can help you.
I also want to be included in church but I do not have access to the
bulletin where responses are. So, I just listen. I do stand and feel
somewhat included. But would love to be speaking as everyone else does.
As for fellowship, you have made that clear to us. I think you can find
something that meets your needs. Unless you live in a rural area, there
should be options. I know churches around here from small to the big ones
where thousands go, there are fellowship activities.
Roman Catholic churches are big on serving the community called social
justice work. They also have many ways to volunteer within the church. Many
churches partner with Facets, a nonprofit, to serve meals every night.
Others partner with the Embry rucker shelter to serve food or do activities
with the homeless people. Still other churches work with prisoners. Many
churches including one Catholic one I know of do mission work overseas.
The Methodist church does mission work in Haiti. For fellowship, churches
have women's and men's groups and many have bible studies meeting outside
church. In my church I grew up in, we had a youth group for socializing. We
also had fellowship after service with cofee and light refreshments.
I'm not sure if you can use a computer or just the Iphone. The computer may
work better to display websites. I suggest looking at church websites. They
are real informative. Most are semi accessible to screen readers.
You can get many questions about fellowship and ministries on the websites.
I hope you find what you need.
I probably cannot give many more suggestions than this so, I'll sit back and
read.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:05 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Jenny Keller
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
OK, the choir excepted. OK, that's not an option. But, when I can't even get
word to the hymns. Are you kidding me?
I may as will sit there and do nothing. I could do that on EWTN, not have to
worry about ride, and have a Eucharist brought to me.
Another friend of mine goes to whatever. She decides to go to at her whim
every Sunday, so, well, there's that. And, she requires it to be a Catholic
pope-based church. The Orthodox Catholic church that I found is not. They
believe in the same stuff, but it is not Catholic and the diocese. So, my
friend would not be happy about that.
I can't even find the number at this point I found it once :-) but you know
how that goes, it could be hit or miss sometimes. Anyhow, I'll still keep
trying. But, I don't even get to be a part of one. Unless it's for Latin.
Then I get to be a part of it something. But, I guess I just don't see the
point, going to mass and for filling your duty and leaving and going home.
No, that's just not what I believe in. I don't know, maybe people don't
understand. But, I was raised protestant, and no, I do not want to go back
there. But, I was raised with fellowship, you didn't normally just go to
service and take off. You got to know people. You went to fellowship which
is how you get to know people. Anyhow, does that make sense? And I can't
even get him no matter what church I go to. That even if I go to the same
Catholic Church. Every week, I have everyone of them and I've asked all of
them to help me with payment of hymns. And they say it is it their
responsibility, including the Cathedral, where the bishop says mass.
I guess I feel like I don't matter. Why go somewhere where I don't matter. I
just sit there. And the songs that are normally song like the alleluia and
stuff, I don't know if you've noticed since you're a choir director though
that most churches don't sing the wrong ones. All of them sing different
melodies! Isn't that funny? I think it is. Are used to not be that way when
I started the Catholic Church in the 90s, you pretty much could go even
though it was an English regular mass, they pretty much saying to send the
same melody for each thing every church :-) now we've all got different
melodies. Everybody does their own thing :-) which I guess is cool. So, I
guess it doesn't make sense. Maybe I should just go and deal. But, I don't
know, like I said, EWTN could be easier. The Eucharist give
And, yeah I can go to a Lutheran, or Episcopalian church, but I absolutely
will not go to her church were acting gay people can be priests pastors and
bishops, won't happen. I don't know when I got so traditional, I was so not
in my 20s, and even early 30s. When did I get old and traditional? I don't
remember when that happened :-)
Anyone can chime in, but, those people who are not able to sing or anything
in a church, we have because there is no ability to, and of course, some
churches don't always sing the same songs over and over, you guys have felt
that way too. Did anybody feel left out.
The Dallas has them is good, don't get me wrong, but, I'm not sure that my
friend will be happy about taking me to the Orthodox Catholic church because
it's not a Roman Catholic diocese church. Anyhow, that's the way it goes :-)
what would you think. And smile, regardless of what I say, have a great day.
And God bless us all
Jenny
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jenny,
>
> How do you get much out of a Latin mass? You cannot understand it and
> without seeing others' behavior, how are you following it and involved?
> How are you able to follow and like a mass in which the priest speaks
> quietly? As blind people, we use our hearing much more than others.
> At the Catholic church I observed they did use microphones and that was a
> good thing because the priest had a soft voice! I noticed a difference in
> his speech versus the other people running the mass.
> I observed a regular catholic service for college religion class and
> catholics do much standing and kneeling. How do you know when to kneel
> without understanding latin? In english speaking masses there are auditory
> clues and much is planned so a regular Catholic would learn this.
>
>
> I agree that Uber and lift are expensive. Its here in my area too although
> I have not tried it. Have you investigated cab fares? They may not be too
> much for a five minute ride. If it’s a few miles, fares should not be too
> bad. You could cab to church till you knew people and then could see about
> getting a ride there.
> I think you should try a few churches if at all possible. Picking a church
> based on friends or rides is not the best thing. If you really are set
> with latin
> right mass, then that is okay. You need to do what feels spiritually
> correct for you. But, try not to pick it based on people who go to the
> church.
>
> I understand your desire to go to a church with a ride. I understand you
> feel real awkard about asking for rides with those you do not know. I feel
> the same. I tried one of those large non denominational churches a few
> years back and it was mixed feelings for me. I had a ride to regular
> service from my dad.
> However, to small group study, I got a ride from dad and on occasion
> someone from small group brought me home. She also brought me to the metro
> station when we had a dinner at someone's home. I felt a bit awkward
> about being in her car, a car that I did not know. I was thankful though
> she did offer to give me a ride. Still, it does feel awkward to take from
> someone and not give back.
>
> About the choir, if it were me, I'd go listen to some rehearsals and see
> if I wanted to join.
> I would not join anything unless I knew what I was getting into. I think
> you seem too worried about the choir. I realize we do not know the whole
> story here, but it seems like you really think about it a lot with so many
> messages about it.
> Pick a church and be a regular member, and then worry about the choir. I
> cannot imagine singing in Latin! Good luck with that one!
>
> To answer your question, the latin mass was first. Latin masses were the
> only thing for centuries.
> Yes, the Latin Catholic mass was the beginning. Catholics were also
> against reading the Bible and looked to their priest to understand it. The
> Reformation came about with Martin Luther professing different things.
> One of them was that lay people should read the Bible and that you should
> have a personal relationship with God.
>
> Church history for you here.
> Prior to Vatican II in the 1960s, the mass was conducted in latin.
> Additionally, the priest turned his back to the congregation and he did
> not use a microphone.
> I have no idea how the congregation followed mass, but that was how it
> was.
>
> I think with time, you will do what is right for you.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:03 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Jenny Keller
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
>
> Yes, I have both, but, I don't have that kind of money. Paratransit would
> be cheaper. So, would have to go and try to meet people. But again, I
> really don't know when the liturgy and, and if they have fellowship after.
> So, it's easier for me to just go with somebody.
>
> I have though, thought about the Latin right that I generally go to. I
> finally fell sort of in love with it. My priest, who I had never met until
> puke Ville USA, told me that I would be a part of the mass no matter what
> I did. So, the choir has totally changed, and, there was a new choir
> director coming in. He has worked with tons of choirs. So he probably has
> worked with someone with some kind of disability.
>
> I am going to ask him if he would prefer me to go out and listen, and do
> rehearsals, in the choir, and not saying anything I don't know. I feel
> though that I can't be in the sanctuary and listen to what the choir says
> on a regular basis. When I went last Sunday, I saying of course quietly,
> the stuff I knew. And the stuff that I didn't know, I just learned. Or
> started to learn. So, I can sort of teach myself the actual liturgy. There
> is stuff that is done by the choir that is different. So, I might just
> stay down in the sanctuary to learn what the basic parts of it are.
>
> I did sing it quietly so no one said anything. And, I don't think the
> priest would care. So, I did feel that it was fine. As long as I wasn't
> singing the opera in the middle of the sanctuary. Though I am not used to
> his voice during mass, he has such a quiet way of speaking. And, during
> the mass, he does not use any sort of microphone, but generally churches
> from that order generally don't. They only use one during the homily. I am
> just going to have to learn about that too. And, being in the front row of
> the sanctuary can help me hear him better. Again, I finally understood my
> role in the church.
>
> God has given me a place and a place where I didn't think I had one. I
> thought about checking out the Orthodox Catholic. But, maybe someone can
> correct me, but I thought that the Catholic Latin church was the
> beginning. Because everyone went to a Catholic church at some point, but
> always had the Latin involved. So, it didn't matter what language or what
> part of the church The other churches came after, the Orthodox one said
> that it has roots in the Russian orthodox part. Where as the Latin mass is
> basically started in the beginning. Because of the fact that people could
> go anywhere and still understand the math.
>
> Do any Catholics know of this?
>
> Oh, and new missionaries have called. But, I didn't answer I forgot to
> take my do not disturb off my phone. So, there was that. I didn't call
> them back as I am not feeling really hot, so, after falling last night,
> raising my body. I just don't feel well. The bruising was not anything we
> are related, but there was a lot of it, and a lot of different places. And
> I just hurt. So, I don't plan on doing anything.
>
> If they call again though, it will be explained or told Whiteley
> vigorously that I no longer want any part of the church, and answer prize
> that that was not conveyed to them. I will call the bishop however
> actually text him and let him know that I no longer want contact with
> anybody. As far as church related stuff goes. So, The Missionaries and Suz
> need to stop. So, I know that if you ask the bishop. It's a lot more
> formal, especially if you text, or email. Then, you have some sort of
> record.
>
>
> Jenny
>
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:02 AM, Justin Williams via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> You got uber or lyft?
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Jenny
>> Keller via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 5:56 AM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Dilemma
>>
>> Hi there, I just found an Orthodox Catholic church, which is completely
>> in
>> line with the Roman Catholic Church. I'm not sure if it is in the Roman
>> church is jurisdiction. So, I'm going to wait till Monday to find out.
>> However, my friend only go to certain churches. And I am uncomfortable
>> asking them to go to another church. It's a little bit farther away.
>>
>> I either have a choice between the Latin mass, which I like, still
>> learning
>> though, or, the regular Catholic Church. That does English. That rushes.
>> Anyhow, I'm just not sure. I don't know how big the catholic Orthodox
>> churches. But, I know they're in line with the if the pope.
>>
>> I have an app called OneParish, and it is in there. So, I don't know,
>> going
>> to call the priest on Monday. So, what do you figure out what to do. I
>> want
>> to see if I can get a ride from somebody there. I'm about 5 1/2 minutes
>> from
>> there. So, it's going to be interesting. If it's going to be a major deal
>> with my friend, then, I would rather go ahead and go to the churches they
>> go
>> to. They have a Saturday mass as well. So, it depends heart. I want to be
>> careful and want to make sure that my friends don't have to go out of
>> their
>> way. They would. But I'm uncomfortable just putting more on them. Talk to
>> you later. But, want to know what you think.
>>
>>
>> Jenny
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