[Faith-talk] Relationship issues

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On 5/15/17, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>
> Ericka Short
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>> On May 14, 2017, at 10:21 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via
>> Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> On 5/14/17, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> My taekwondo teacher feels exactly the same way :-) my orange belt proves
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2017, at 7:32 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow, Jenny!
>>>> Amen! That is all I can say! The relationship I have with the Lord is
>>>> much
>>>> better than what I have with my own wife, and that is the way it should
>>>> be. I asked Traci right out if she love God more than me. I can’t
>>>> describe
>>>> the joy and pease I have through my relationship with God. At 20 years
>>>> old, I thought that I would meet a dream wife, but now at 51, I totally
>>>> agree with you. Those men who abused you, if I had it my way, they would
>>>> not be able to walk LOL! If my daughter was abused by a man, I believe
>>>> that God would be fine with me beating him unconscious. It is time women
>>>> start sticking up for themselves and realizing they deserve the best or
>>>> just have a relationship with the Lord. Women do not need a man. So many
>>>> women need to get that out of their head. All we really need is God. I
>>>> cry, I really do, over men abusing them, because women think they better
>>>> seddle or have nobody! I do not want any of you women seddling. If I had
>>>> a
>>>> daughter, I would scare most guys away LOL! I think all women need to
>>>> take
>>>> martial arts training or something so they can protect themselves. God
>>>> has
>>>> no problem with that. Men, need to have a relationship with God to see
>>>> how
>>>> to treat a woman. How would God treat a woman? That is what a man needs
>>>> to
>>>> ask. I talk to women all of the time about the kind of man God would
>>>> want
>>>> them to marry, and they just sigh and say, my that would be wonderful. I
>>>> can tell that these women think I am telling them a fary tail. It is so
>>>> sad that people are raised in environments where abuse is just normal
>>>> like
>>>> eating. People really think that life is supposed to be like that. I cry
>>>> over this. Mom always said that if she had a daughter, she would knock a
>>>> man out for looking at her LOL! Men need to know that a relationship
>>>> with
>>>> the Lord is much more important than a physical relationship. Men will
>>>> be
>>>> men, I guess. Even King David in the Bible had a man killed so he could
>>>> take his wife. That is in theBible. I wish I had all of the answers for
>>>> helping men to treat a woman finer than gold. Fathers raise their sons
>>>> to
>>>> be players. That is so sad. It all goes back to how we are raised. I am
>>>> a
>>>> huge believer that the way we are as adults is 95 percent due to how we
>>>> were raised and told from the cradle. The actions from our parents make
>>>> a
>>>> person the way he is as an adult. I hope things change someday, and
>>>> Women
>>>> wil not put everything over having a man, and a man will develop a
>>>> relationship with God before he thinks about a woman. If you do not love
>>>> yourself and God first, you will never love your partner. It cannot
>>>> happen.
>>>> Take care, all.
>>>> David Moore
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>
>>>> From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 7:38 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>>> Cc: Jenny Keller
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship issues
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I ask forgiveness for the way this message is written. I don't have a
>>>> Bluetooth keyboard and dictation is dictation. I went through some of
>>>> that. I've always dated with the intention of marriage. Not just to mess
>>>> around. However, I didn't stick to no sex before marriage. Except for
>>>> one
>>>> relationship that freaked me out because I was pregnant unwed pregnant
>>>> and
>>>> I didn't know what to do. Not in that kind of relationship not yet being
>>>> pregnant and without anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Both marriages were doomed to failure and had red flags from the
>>>> beginning. I was too blind and too stupid to realize that. I always
>>>> wanted
>>>> to give people a chance. And, I excepted them for who they were. And,
>>>> that
>>>> wasn't always the best thing to do.
>>>>
>>>> I have discovered that my faith comes first. And, unfortunately.
>>>> Probably,
>>>> I am much too selfish for marriage. I have physical issues that make it
>>>> very difficult for someone to deal with a marriage with me. I am on able
>>>> to do a lot of housework. Though mobility is my thing.
>>>>
>>>> My last marriage though, threw that in my face. Oh you never do any
>>>> housework or help me around the house. I had told him from the beginning
>>>> don't start doing housework and expect me to do it five years from now,
>>>> and then throw it in my face later. That's exactly what happened. So, I
>>>> don't see myself in a relationship. I don't want to hear that crap from
>>>> anybody else. Heavenly father is my husband. My best friend. Everything.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not just saying this to say it. I just want people to understand, I
>>>> know that marriages can be wonderful. I also know that marriages can be
>>>> disaster. I have seen both, and mostly disaster. I have been abused both
>>>> mentally and physically by men. And not by my husband, but by other men
>>>> that I have dated. From starting my life with abuse from my mother
>>>> mentally emotionally and physically that's not exactly something you
>>>> recover from. Counseling is great. Prayer is great. But the scars are
>>>> still there.
>>>>
>>>> Heavenly father makes it to where they can be dealt with, or at least
>>>> even
>>>> know they're there, you still can leave a successful and loving life. I
>>>> guess what I'm saying is. I understand what that gentleman said about
>>>> just
>>>> not looking for marriage or a relationship. I am afraid of one anyway. I
>>>> go to church and they're single functions. However, funny thing enough
>>>> there's like way more than singles women then there are men :-) I guess
>>>> because I'm over the 31 section of single :-) I believe that I am going
>>>> to
>>>> wait I know I am going to wait for someone who is more men best time. I
>>>> didn't always stick to that faith. I looked around at every other
>>>> Christian faith. But I returned now the third time, with the
>>>> understanding
>>>> that I am there for a reason. I left because of typing issues. I was
>>>> completely against it. But after talking to my bishop, Pastor, I realize
>>>> that it was not just a commandment of the Lord, but that even though
>>>> people are really broke. They put their faith in the Lord by tightening.
>>>> That my bishop who is a doctor. Wasn't always a doctor :-)
>>>>
>>>> I love everybody and the list. It is wonderful to see the beauty in
>>>> relationships. And please understand, I'm not just trying to be
>>>> pessimistic. I guess I just want those who are worried about
>>>> relationships, gun shy, ET see that it is OK to not want to marry or to
>>>> be
>>>> single and want to stay that way. Because sometimes, the Lord drop
>>>> something in our life that we are not expecting. You never know :-)
>>>>
>>>> I pray for everyone married single or thinking about it. Love is always
>>>> there with our heavenly father and Jesus Christ. That's the most
>>>> wonderful
>>>> Love we could ever have. Never forget that any of us.
>>>>
>>>> Your sister in Christ always
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Chikodinaka Ogoledo via Faith-Talk
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>>>>> From: David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> CC: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship issues
>>>>> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:16:10 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> David Moore here. I must tell you how Jesus Christ brought me to Traci
>>>>> my
>>>>> wife. I was born with enough sight to ride a bike, see colors, and to
>>>>> read very large print. I have had light perception since I was 15. I am
>>>>> now 51. At 21, I had a 9-month serious relationship with a totally
>>>>> blind
>>>>> girl. I realize we were totally wrong for each other, because she had
>>>>> blind Christian faith, where I was really searching and had not yet
>>>>> become a Christian. I studied the Bible and knew it well, but I still
>>>>> had
>>>>> questions, and Lin expected me to just believe it because the Bible
>>>>> says
>>>>> so, so we parted ways. I was friends with a lot, of mostly sighted
>>>>> women.
>>>>> Many of these women thought I was too good for them to date. They would
>>>>> say something like you're a nice teddy bear, and I do not want to ruin
>>>>> our friendship. You are like a sweet brother and friend, they would
>>>>> say.
>>>>> They always complained to me about their abusive boyfriends. I would
>>>>> say
>>>>> to them that they should try one date with me, and there would be no
>>>>> strings attached. They would not go for it. All these women friends did
>>>>> was to complain about their boyfriends to me LOL! My second
>>>>> relationship
>>>>> was between the time I was 26 and 28. We talked about marriage. She was
>>>>> sighted. Her mom would tell Mindy all the time that I could not provide
>>>>> for her and all of that. Her mom would barely talk to me, and she told
>>>>> Mindy to break up with me all the time, just because I was blind. Her
>>>>> mom
>>>>> would not even give me a chance. She started coming around a little
>>>>> bit,
>>>>> but I started getting tired of Mindy being so dependent on her parents.
>>>>> She was 30 at the time, and she went and cried to her mom and Dad
>>>>> everytime we had an argument. She had been so sheltered in a Christian
>>>>> home, and she had not experienced the world like I had. Before I became
>>>>> a
>>>>> Christian, I got wasted in college, partied, and was very rebellious
>>>>> against my parents. Mindy had not gone through any of that. We had
>>>>> totally different childhoods, and we grew apart. I never married her;
>>>>> and
>>>>> if I had, we would had divorced, I just know it. I told myself as a
>>>>> teenager that I would date someone for four years before getting
>>>>> married,
>>>>> because of my mom and dad's marriage. Mom said that she had hated dad
>>>>> for
>>>>> years, and never wanted to see his face. Mom talked to me about her
>>>>> hate
>>>>> for dad, and said she would kill herself. She threatened to kill
>>>>> herself
>>>>> a lot, and said it was because she got married. Mom told all three of
>>>>> us
>>>>> boys to never get married, because we would havehell on earth like she
>>>>> did. She told all of us to just shack up with a woman and never get
>>>>> married. I knew that was not right, because a neighbor began taking me
>>>>> to
>>>>> church when I was 15. I knew that something was different after a few
>>>>> times of going to church, and I knew there had to be a god to create
>>>>> all
>>>>> that is and on and on. Well, back to Mindy. I broke up with her,
>>>>> because
>>>>> our childhoods had been so different, and she ran to mom and dad over
>>>>> anything. So, I had broken up with two women by then who I had talked
>>>>> about marriage with. I knew these were not the women the Lord wanted me
>>>>> to have as a wife. I was not even a Christian yet. I had a third
>>>>> relationship, but it was not right either. Then, I met my wife Traci. I
>>>>> became a Christian shortly after we started dating. Listen to how we
>>>>> met.
>>>>> I was with a sighted friend, and he wanted to finish his coffee while
>>>>> we
>>>>> were at the bus stop. We let two busses pass by, and we boarded the
>>>>> third
>>>>> bus. Traci lived at the other end of town than I. Her car had broken
>>>>> down, and she happened to be on that bus. Now, she had heard me on the
>>>>> radio. I played a Bible Trivia show every Thursday night at 1:30 in the
>>>>> morning. One night, Traci turned on the radio and flipped the dial
>>>>> looking for something to listen to. She ran across this Bible show that
>>>>> I
>>>>> called in to play on, and she heard my voice on the radio and thought I
>>>>> was very spiritual and full of joy. She kept listening to the show
>>>>> every
>>>>> week, and then there I was on that bus that day. Her car had broken
>>>>> down,
>>>>> and she was at my end of town. She heard my voice as I talked to my
>>>>> friend, and she knew it was the guy she listened to on the radio every
>>>>> week. I really felt the Lord had told me, even before becoming a
>>>>> Christian, that I should wait until after marriage to have sex, because
>>>>> it would be so good if I waited, and that was the right think to do. I
>>>>> had gone to church since I was 15 as well. So, I met Traci on that bus,
>>>>> and I gave her my phone number, because her phone had not been put in
>>>>> yet. She had just moved. She called me back three days later, and we
>>>>> talked for nine hours. It was like we had known each other for our
>>>>> entire
>>>>> lives. Guess what? My blindness never came up in that entire
>>>>> conversation. Traci is totally sighted, and my blindness is nothing to
>>>>> her. She had a bad childhood like I did, Became a Christian after much
>>>>> rebellion, and she was very independent and determined to assert
>>>>> herself.
>>>>> LOL! This quality had been missing in all of the other Christian girls
>>>>> I
>>>>> dated. They had all been sheltered in church their entire lives, and
>>>>> new
>>>>> nothing about the world, or different kinds of people outside their
>>>>> small
>>>>> circle. But Traci was totally different. She had been in the mud, and
>>>>> had
>>>>> Called out to the Lord, and she had gone through a lot before she got
>>>>> close to the Lord, just like me. Well, I finally became a Christian
>>>>> after
>>>>> going to church for 18 years, at the age of 33. I had been in every
>>>>> faith
>>>>> circle there is. I had studied everything. But Jesus finally showed me
>>>>> that he is the only way, and Traci is the same. Both of us are so
>>>>> strong
>>>>> in our faith, because the Lord has brought us through hell on earth,
>>>>> and
>>>>> we are still fighting to this day. We have really gone through a lot
>>>>> since we met in 1997. I could go on for days in this message, but I
>>>>> want
>>>>> to leave you with a few thoughts. One:
>>>>> I waited until I was 31 before I met Traci, and I was not looking for
>>>>> anyone. I was happy with my life the way it was, and I had a lot of
>>>>> friends. The number one goal in my life was not to get married. I would
>>>>> have waited until I was 50 to meet the right woman to marry! I believe
>>>>> the person you should marry should love God more than they love you.
>>>>> Also, a person needs to love him or herself before they can love anyone
>>>>> else. A person needs to be in total acceptance of their blindness. When
>>>>> I
>>>>> met Traci, she was totally sighted, and she hardly talks about my
>>>>> blindness. I mean, it hardly comes up until I need her help for
>>>>> something
>>>>> that I cannot see. We joke about my blindness. I laugh with friends
>>>>> about
>>>>> being blind and how fun it is. Did you hear that? I think being blind
>>>>> is
>>>>> exciting, because I can talk to many more people about the Lord.
>>>>> Everyone
>>>>> wants to talk with me on the street, and I take advantage of that, and
>>>>> talk to them about where real happiness comes from. I tell them that it
>>>>> does not come from what the eyes can see. When Traci and I are
>>>>> together,
>>>>> people tell us that we look so happy and full of joy. We married in
>>>>> 2002,
>>>>> and we are coming up on 15 years of marriage.
>>>>> Well, I better stop. I am sorry if I have written way too much here.
>>>>> Take
>>>>> care, and have a great one.
>>>>> David Moore
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Kevin LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:15 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>>>> Cc: Kevin LaRose
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship issues
>>>>>
>>>>> I absolutely agree that this is a topic that isn't discussed nearly
>>>>> enough and needs to be discussed more. Having said that, I wonder if
>>>>> this
>>>>> is the proper venue for such a discussion. While faith and relationship
>>>>> issues are undeniably linked, topics such as this one have the
>>>>> potential
>>>>> to go seriously off the rails. Sadly, I've seen it happen. That is up
>>>>> to
>>>>> the discretion of the moderators, of course, but I will put in one
>>>>> nugget
>>>>> of wisdom I've learned in my 52 plus years of life on this mortal coil.
>>>>> Whatever you do, always be true to yourself. Once you change because
>>>>> that's what you think the other person wants or needs you to, you've
>>>>> gone
>>>>> a long way toward losing the battle. Again, I speak from hard
>>>>> experience
>>>>> here. Best of luck to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin LaRose
>>>>> Anderson, IN
>>>>> Email: kl1964 at icloud.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for a long reply! Sometimes I think this will bring on more
>>>>> questions then it will answer anything. Remember one of the fruits of
>>>>> the
>>>>> spirit of patients so let's all work on this now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill, you bring up an interesting topic of which I agree does not get
>>>>> discussed too often. I guess perhaps people can share more testimonies
>>>>> of
>>>>> how they found their sweethearts. Not everybody is married here and
>>>>> this
>>>>> is probably a topic that should also be brought up in training centers
>>>>> during seminar time or philosophy class as well as in conventions etc.
>>>>> As
>>>>> the faith connection goes, most Churches teachings see family and
>>>>> marriage is something very sacred and not just a right of passage. I
>>>>> wonder if there are people out there who feel like they are outsiders
>>>>> just because they are not able to seek out decent people and fullfill
>>>>> their Faith by adding to the cloud of witnesses or however you want to
>>>>> state it. Personally I have no love life advice! I was one of those
>>>>> lost
>>>>> souls that never dated but had guy friends until almost 30. That didn't
>>>>> go so well and after 15 years of marriage we parted respectfully. He
>>>>> had
>>>>> perfect vision if he wore his glasses.  I met him through campus
>>>>> ministry. If it was not a long-distance relationship we probably never
>>>>> would have dated so long or married.  I don't know what the answer is
>>>>> to
>>>>> your great question Bill! Aside from your concerns I think it may be a
>>>>> societal problem that we are stuck in the middle of too. There's the
>>>>> Blind/sighted debate I will leave be.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just very happy to have found the right one at 45 and he just
>>>>> happens
>>>>> to be totally blind now. I say now because when I met him when we were
>>>>> teenagers he had more visual than I did - 20/100 in the best eye. For
>>>>> me
>>>>> as was stated, for a girl it's how you live out your faith, what's in
>>>>> your heart, and how you treat others in your family that matters more
>>>>> than anything else. How you treat family and others tells us how you're
>>>>> going to treat us in the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else have some faithful thoughts? Perhaps some scripture?  I
>>>>> know
>>>>> some church cultures kind of help people match each other up - that
>>>>> courting concept. Has anybody in a church where that goes on then
>>>>> supported in finding a helpmate? Is there any societal or spiritual
>>>>> rules
>>>>> anymore for dating? Sometimes I wonder! My mother freaked me out or
>>>>> year
>>>>> or two ago by saying she didn't care if I shacked up with someone as
>>>>> long
>>>>> as they treated me right. Her take was that the federal laws didn't
>>>>> support us being married and she wanted us to be able to pay the bills.
>>>>> She said lots of senior citizens doing the same thing. I really don't
>>>>> like the concept of shacking up, but God knows the nations rules too.
>>>>> How
>>>>> does one  honor faith, family, & the call to be Partners with someone
>>>>> God
>>>>> has given you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>>>> 608-665-3170
>>>>>
>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 10, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Bill Outman via Faith-Talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good day, folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the list hasn't been very active of late but there is something
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> need to explore with all of you to see where it goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am concerned in general about the difficulties we face as blind and
>>>>>> visually impaired people when it comes to seeking romance, how to go
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it and how to know if a particular relationship is potentially viable,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the ground rules, if any exist, for behavior within such a potential
>>>>>> relationship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would appreciate your thoughts, experiences and prayers on this
>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's something that has caused great frustration, as there seems to be
>>>>>> sparse attention paid to this issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, if any of you ladies would like by any chance like to
>>>>>> explore
>>>>>> with me where something could go, please get back to me off list and
>>>>>> we'll
>>>>>> touch base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Outman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daytona Beach, Florida
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email: woutman at earthlink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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