[Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Sun May 21 01:39:21 UTC 2017

Great points Ashley! Not only do I thank people who help me out tangibly but I do my best to volunteer in & out of church. In Madison I haven't been as active, but once I get to training in MN and back to my scheduled life I will be more participatory. Too much unknowns to commit to anything. People i have met at church I'm on fb with. They see me just living life and learn a lot. Slowly they are more comfy to ask questions. 

I see a lot of wonderful millenials out there too. They may not be in pews but more live out the Gospel than the "older" folks who attend church then go home to a lifestyle of full house & bank account with no thought to anyone but Greed their master.

Ericka Short
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> On May 20, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> While I agree with your sentaments regarding our too busy culture, kids being involved in too many activities, and our cultural shift, I think we need to remember the positive stuff. And not all younger people are as ego centric as you paint them out to be.
> But, yes, the church problem of community is a symptom of a larger problem in American society.
> Btw, I'm in my early 30s.
> I've not been in a situation to ask for rides to church or anywhere regularly as I live with my folks.
> 
> But, unlike you, I know many disabled people and all have a faith. It seems to me that disabled people are more
> likely to have a faith because faith is a source of strength in a  world filled with discrimination. I wonder too about studies. It seems to me that disabled people would be more likely to have a faith.
> And, I can think of at least three people in our NFB chapter who join  a bible study and obtain volunteer rides. I was surprised in fact given people's busy schedules. I asked them and they said someone picked them up to go there.
> As we ask for our needs to be met, I think we need to contribute too.
> I say this  as its all too easy to  ask for rides or whatever and ask for more, and not to give back.
> So, if you are fortunate to get volunteer readers or drivers, I suggest you pay them by giving them a gift card or buying a lunch or coffee, something to say you appreciate them.
> 
> I also think we should volunteer and change the image. If we want society to change and extend hands to one another, we need to exemplify this change.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: David Moore via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 6:43 PM
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> Cc: David Moore
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org
> 
> Hi Ericka and all,
> I have wondered just how many shut ins and people with many disabilities ever get to walk into a church. I think about this all the time. You see, the media and many other sources are telling people who have been oppressed to give up on God, Give up on Religeon, You are at the top of the Ladder. People are being told that they alone can solve all of their problems. How sad. With God, we could not breathe. My wife and I talk all of the time about how society has changed here in the United States all the time. I am 51. When I was 10 years old, I remember people in our neighborhood all gathered on the porch just talking for hours. Now, the other day, My wife, Traci, saw a mother and daughter sitting at a table at a restaurant, and they were both reading stuff on their phones and not talking to each other at all. We must ask a very tough question. Are we better off with all of this technology, when it comes to our personal lives, and our faith. Traci and I cannot even get people to commit to helping us move, for example. America has lost all sense of community. Mom and Dad had neighbors in our yard all of the time, when I grew up. Now, most people do not even know their neighbors. You see, the problem in the church is just a symptom of a much larger problem. People are out for themselves, not for others. People are in a hurry all of the time. People try to fit twice as much into their lives than they use to. Life has become so hectic, that God could pound on people’s sholder, and they would not even notice. People are so much into their nice little world in the suburbs. Here in Columbus, People go downtown to work, and fly back to their home in the suburbs. Columbus, the city part, to people is just scum, and they just want to get out of the city far away from this scum. That is the attitude people have in Columbus. The entire city is being handed to low income people, and the people with money are just moving farther out. They do not want to live in the city and actually help those in need. They are moving to the country just to get away from all of those disgusting people here in the inner city. That is the way people think here. Well, guess where most churches are now. Most churches are in the suburbs, where public transportation does not go. Our public Transportation in Columbus is bad, just to navigate down town LOL! You see how many problems are coming into the church? People rush to church, and running out to go to their children’s ball games. This is another thing that bothers Traci and I. Children are in charge anymore. Children tell their parents how it is going to be, and the parents obey what their children want. Parents have their children in so many activities, they do not have time for Bible study. Traci and I went to this very legalistic rich church. The idea of a fifth Sunday Bible study was brought up. Just when there are five Sundays in a month. Traci and I were so angry, because one person had signed up, and they said We might come, only if our son does not have an activity at that time. Isn’t that terrible. They were putting their kids activities over a Bible study! What kind of message is this sending to kids. I could go on and on. People are turning away from God to do what they want to do. The States is far from God. It is not looking good. People would rather go out on black Friday and save a buck than to go to church. It is all about money instead of church, fellowship, and God. I know many Christians who are traveling all of the time, and do not spend time with their own family. I do not like this new world that melinnials are rejoicing over. I see things getting worse and worse instead of getting better. I love people, and people are leaving the picture for technology and robots. I have a love hate relationship with my technology. People sit in church and do things on their phones. That has gone just oo far. I do not even begin to know what the answer is for all of this technology taking over people’s lives. People are way too busy. I want to live a very simple life. People’s lives are far from being simple. That is why they do not have the time to pick up a disabled person. Parents don’t even have time for their own children, because they want to make that almighty dollar and live in a mansion and on and on. There are many problems and reasons why a disabled person cannot be picked up for church. There is just no time for people anymore.
> Take care, guys, and read all of this and take it for what it is worth.
> DavidMoore
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> 
> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 5:12 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org
> 
> Congratulations Christine!
> 
> Debby i think your point about cultural shifts is very true. Sad, but true. I bet Catholics used to stay all the way through mas. Less people are staying for coffee hour in other congregations.
> 
> Let's stop being defensive here. Nobody is attacking individual faiths. Nobody is making personal attacks. We are all sharing personal experiences, nothing more and we are asking for help because posters WANT to be involved. I pray for all those who don't feel welcome and don't know about this list or our facebook page. It hurts my heart that blind people are giving up on a relationship with God and His children. Has there been a study on how many disabled v. Nondisabled consider themselves religious? How many are active v. Not active by choice? Curious. I know more disabled that are agnostic or atheist than those that practice any faith.
> 
> Let's share resources instead ok?
> 
> Thanks to those who have pisted links, apps & specific suggestions for specific situations.
> 
> If we aren't unified here, how can we expect churches to work with our divion?  Christ and the divison's purpise should unite us, not divide.
> 
> Ericka Short
> from my iPhone 6+
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Christine Olivares via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, it really helps when you are the music director of a Catholic church. I just got a job recently doing the music for a local Catholic church, and a couple people will bend over backwards for me so I can play. One of the choir members is great about driving me home, and both my parents take me on the weekends. The bus is also available if no one can take me.
>> 
>> I agree that some denominations are colder than others. People are just lazy to be honest. They don’t really walk the walk I don’t think.
>> 
>> Christine
>>> On May 20, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Justin Williams via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, this church I'm talking about was a Baptist, or nondenomoination
>>> church, not sure which, but when I asked if they could send someone  to get
>>> me, they said no we can't.
>>> Justin
>>> 
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>>> religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org <http://uscatholic.org/>
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am not surprised. I have been to a few Catholic masses with friends, and
>>> people run out of there as soon as they can. New Testament like churches,
>>> non-denominational churches, will bend over backward for you, because they
>>> really live out the scriptures. Many Catholics are there out of guilt, or
>>> because it looks good to their community or family.
>>> David Moore
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>>> 
>>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:15 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a
>>> religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org <http://uscatholic.org/>
>>> 
>>> The Catholic Church as I have attended in the past never tried to do
>>> anything for me either. I've also attended many different types of warship
>>> and the only one that has encouraged and supported my faith has been the
>>> Evangelical Lutheran Church.
>>> 
>>> Ericka Short
>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>> 608-665-3170
>>> 
>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:faith-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, having one in the Catholic or year. I think it's interesting
>>> people the article special needs special needs special needs it has every
>>> thing but lightness and yes a different special needs his mental and
>>> physical situation why this is a whole Nother beast. And people tend to
>>> forget that. Hence why we have to pay crap load the money for him though.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I don't see one of the richest churches in the universe helping pay
>>> for the him situation, or most definitely the transit situation which blind
>>> people having difficulty with. I can't afford to pay for paratransit to take
>>> me to choir practice, in fact, when I audition and was asked to be in the
>>> choir choir director told me that I was not going to be able to ask anyone
>>> for help in transportation in the choir in fact his words were don't expect
>>> anyone to help you get to and from from the choir. And I'm sorry, that's a
>>> little different.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems is this the special-needs situation there seem to be more
>>> activities and abilities. Also on the other hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I'm not bashing the church. I'm just telling you what I have seen
>>> in several cities in my life
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jenny
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org <mailto:faith-talk at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Felt this was a good article to share. No I'm not Catholic, I very much
>>> respect this pope and wish everyone clung to his words.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201704/catholics-special-needs-religious- <http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201704/catholics-special-needs-religious->
>>> education-includes-30990
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>>>> 608-665-3170
>>>>> 
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