[Faith-talk] Scripture Passage

Mon May 22 05:10:07 UTC 2017

Yeap, Erica, I agree.  I've been wondering the same thing.
 Justin

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Just wondering, why are we supposed to remain kind and pure but not the
guys? 

Second, why don't people who take the Bible literally still have slaves?
This book possibly was one of biblical support for people to own slaves in
the south. Yet we don't believe this anymore do we?

Just asking questions, don't read anymore into this! 

Ericka Short
from my iPhone 6+

> On May 21, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Linda,
> 
> Thanks for answering the question and doing all you do for the
organization. I think you moderate another list too and that is a lot of
responsibility for a volunteer.
> 
> I agree with much of what you say.
> The Bible is giving us instructions on how Christians should live.
> You summarized what the Bible says well.
> Well stated about the New Testament
> "In the New Testament, we read of Christ's birth, His life on earth, 
> His death (again the shedding of blood), and His resurrection, written 
> by those who either spent time with Him or, in the case of Saul turned 
> Paul, who had a spiritual encounter."
> 
> Yes, exactly. We read all about Christ's life from his birth to death to
his resurrection there and perhaps that is why I can understand the New
Testament more on my own especially the parables and Jesus' sermon called
Sermon on the Mount.
> 
> 
> Regarding Titus II though, it seems we have different interpretations.
> I read it BTW online as its easier to look up. To those who do not know,
Titus II is a letter authored by Paul. I'm not sure Titus's role, but I can
discern he was a leader in the church. Paul wrote the letter after he was
released from a Roman prison.
> Titus traveled to Crete and knew Paul. Crete was having some moral decline
then and the family was in need of guidance from the church.
> Titus looked to Paul for guidance as he sought to run a new church.
> So,  the letter is a short 15 verses.
> In the 15 verses, it covers rules of conduct from men to women to slaves.
> These verses are about what to do. It instructs women in only 4 of the 15
verses. It instructs the older women of the church to teach the younger
women.
> I read that men should love their wives; I read that women should be
loving and caring to children and obey husbands. Women should also be pure
and self controlled which can mean very different things to different
people.
> It says to work  at home in verse 4, yet it does not exclude working
outside the home too.
> 
> In these scriptural passages, I certainly do not see an absolute
prescription for women to be exclusively homemakers.
> Conversely, I do not see a prescription for men to exclusively be the only
provider of the home.
> 
> This all goes to interpretation.
> 
> I encourage everyone to read this and the other Bible passages to draw
your own meaning and guidance from it.
> 
> Below my name are verses 4-5 of Titus II I will respond to further 
> email on Monday probably.
> 
> Take care,
> Ashley
> . 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and
children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind,
and to be subject to their husbands ...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:26 PM
> To: Faith-talk
> Cc: Linda Mentink
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Scripture Passage
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> The Scripture passage I was refering to is Titus 2.  Yes, many things 
> in the Scriptures are historical or allegorical, and much is prophecy.  
> But much is instruction on how Christians should live.  Men and women 
> are the same sinful wretches as they were when the Bible was written, 
> and what applies to them applies to us now.  Much of the Old Testament 
> tells us of the laws of Moses, the old covenant, and how they had to 
> live before Christ came to earth to give His life for sinful people.  
> Much of that was because God needed the shed blood to atone for the 
> sins of the people.  Many in the Old Testament are types of Christ, 
> thus we see Christ throughout the whole of Scripture.
> 
> In the New Testament, we read of Christ's birth, His life on earth, 
> His death (again the shedding of blood), and His resurrection, written 
> by those who either spent time with Him or, in the case of Saul turned 
> Paul, who had a spiritual encounter.
> 
> I once believed that much of the New Testament was just history, as in 
> such cases as dress, setting aside Sundays as a day to worship God and 
> to rest, the roles of men and women, etc.  But then what would we 
> learn, and how would we live, if the Bible wasn't the Christian's 
> guide? There are different interpretations, and, in reading the Bible 
> for myself, and being in a church that believes it means what it says, 
> and says what it means, I live and believe differently than I used to.
> 
> I'm sure I've left some things out, and Sarah will be sure to call me 
> on it.  But that's basically it in a nutshell.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Linda
> 
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