[Faith-talk] Scripture Passage

Mon May 22 14:11:56 UTC 2017

Actually Erica, I think the same thing. I'm a southern girl myself.

I grew up in a very literal Bible Baptist situation and have Pentecostal Holiness and they were very Bible Bible Bible literal.

I'm across the street from the Baptist Church and I could get there in a second. I just can't deal with it. I can't deal with the hellfire and brimstone there was back then. Also, I tried it as an older adult. And I just couldn't deal with that either. They could take one sentence out of the Bible such as honor thy mother and father. I never knew that the next sentence was Father's Day not bring the children to wrath. Basically, you don't get abuse your children.

That's what I was told I had to honor thy mother and father when my mom was beaten to The crap out of me. Oh, really I still have to honor my mother OK. I honor her because she's my mother, I forgive her because she's mentally ill. It doesn't mean I have to re-blindly honoring her and take the abuse abuse abuse.

So this whole literal honor thy mother and father thing I get, but, when it's just a phrase that they talk about for an whole hour. That I have issue with. That's why I won't go to The Baptist church down the street from sorry cross the street.

Also, they have the new update service where it praise and worship.

A lot of people like it, but that's not the way I was raised. And if I wanted to party I would go somewhere else.

It most certainly would not be at church

Jenny

> On May 21, 2017, at 11:22 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Just wondering, why are we supposed to remain kind and pure but not the guys? 
> 
> Second, why don't people who take the Bible literally still have slaves? This book possibly was one of biblical support for people to own slaves in the south. Yet we don't believe this anymore do we?
> 
> Just asking questions, don't read anymore into this! 
> 
> Ericka Short
> from my iPhone 6+
> 
>> On May 21, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Linda,
>> 
>> Thanks for answering the question and doing all you do for the organization. I think you moderate another list too and that is a lot of responsibility for a volunteer.
>> 
>> I agree with much of what you say.
>> The Bible is giving us instructions on how Christians should live.
>> You summarized what the Bible says well.
>> Well stated about the New Testament
>> "In the New Testament, we read of Christ's birth, His life on
>> earth, His death (again the shedding of blood), and His
>> resurrection, written by those who either spent time with Him or,
>> in the case of Saul turned Paul, who had a spiritual encounter."
>> 
>> Yes, exactly. We read all about Christ's life from his birth to death to his resurrection there and perhaps that is why I can understand the New Testament more on my own especially the parables and Jesus' sermon called Sermon on the Mount.
>> 
>> 
>> Regarding Titus II though, it seems we have different interpretations.
>> I read it BTW online as its easier to look up. To those who do not know, Titus II is a letter authored by Paul. I'm not sure Titus's role, but I can discern he was a leader in the church. Paul wrote the letter after he was released from a Roman prison.
>> Titus traveled to Crete and knew Paul. Crete was having some moral decline then and the family was in need of guidance from the church.
>> Titus looked to Paul for guidance as he sought to run a new church.
>> So,  the letter is a short 15 verses.
>> In the 15 verses, it covers rules of conduct from men to women to slaves.
>> These verses are about what to do. It instructs women in only 4 of the 15 verses. It instructs the older women of the church to teach the younger women.
>> I read that men should love their wives; I read that women should be loving and caring to children and obey husbands. Women should also be pure and self controlled which can mean very different things to different people.
>> It says to work  at home in verse 4, yet it does not exclude working outside the home too.
>> 
>> In these scriptural passages, I certainly do not see an absolute prescription for women to be exclusively homemakers.
>> Conversely, I do not see a prescription for men to exclusively be the only provider of the home.
>> 
>> This all goes to interpretation.
>> 
>> I encourage everyone to read this and the other Bible passages to draw your own meaning and guidance from it.
>> 
>> Below my name are verses 4-5 of Titus II
>> I will respond to further email on Monday probably.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Ashley
>> . 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands ...
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 11:26 PM
>> To: Faith-talk
>> Cc: Linda Mentink
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Scripture Passage
>> 
>> Hi Ashley,
>> 
>> The Scripture passage I was refering to is Titus 2.  Yes, many
>> things in the Scriptures are historical or allegorical, and much
>> is prophecy.  But much is instruction on how Christians should
>> live.  Men and women are the same sinful wretches as they were
>> when the Bible was written, and what applies to them applies to
>> us now.  Much of the Old Testament tells us of the laws of Moses,
>> the old covenant, and how they had to live before Christ came to
>> earth to give His life for sinful people.  Much of that was
>> because God needed the shed blood to atone for the sins of the
>> people.  Many in the Old Testament are types of Christ, thus we
>> see Christ throughout the whole of Scripture.
>> 
>> In the New Testament, we read of Christ's birth, His life on
>> earth, His death (again the shedding of blood), and His
>> resurrection, written by those who either spent time with Him or,
>> in the case of Saul turned Paul, who had a spiritual encounter.
>> 
>> I once believed that much of the New Testament was just history,
>> as in such cases as dress, setting aside Sundays as a day to
>> worship God and to rest, the roles of men and women, etc.  But
>> then what would we learn, and how would we live, if the Bible
>> wasn't the Christian's guide? There are different
>> interpretations, and, in reading the Bible for myself, and being
>> in a church that believes it means what it says, and says what it
>> means, I live and believe differently than I used to.
>> 
>> I'm sure I've left some things out, and Sarah will be sure to
>> call me on it.  But that's basically it in a nutshell.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
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