[Faith-talk] Relationship Issues

[David Moore]

O, Yes,
I pray there are still plenty of parents teaching their children the faith. I cannot imagine growing up in a home where God was never talked about in any way! I did not grow up in a Christian home, but at least there were Bibles, and Mom talked about God and our creator!
David Moore

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From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues

Call is good news! My family all loves Chad. I can tell they all feel he's a big upgrade from my ex-husband. :-) I love it that way because I agree. We all make choices with the information you have don't we? 

As long as there are people willing to teach kids the faith, there is still hope in the next generations.

Ericka Short
from my iPhone 6+

> On May 21, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Rob Kaiser via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The only person in my family I have contact with is my mom in Nyak, NY. She
> still hasn't fully excepted Sarah probably because of my prior
> relationships. 
> 
> Sarah's family has excepted me with open arms. She is raising her brother's
> kids. My oldest step daughter, Tilly is having a baby girl in late August or
> September. I could sure use everyone's prayers on this. So far, everything
> in the pregnancy has gone well. 
> 
> The other thing about Sarah is that she has made sure that I don't lose my
> indipendents. That I am greatful fore. 
> 
> Rob Kaiser
> Email;
> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ericka
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:21 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ericka <dotwriter1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
> 
> David, Nice to know we are not the only ones! I have to say, the nieces and
> nephews and I was married to my ex-husband were really wonderful to me.
> Sisters in law were great too. It's outside of family that is rough. I hear
> I'm pretty lucky that my family isn't terrified of blind people. I just came
> back from a 90th birthday party for my great uncle. I had a nice chat with
> most of my relatives there and we keep in touch via Facebook.
> 
> Ericka Short from my iPhone 6+
> 
>> On May 21, 2017, at 6:45 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ericka,
>> Traci and I had no children, so we know how that is. Neither one of us has
> family who wants to talk to us either. It is hard, when people do activities
> that involve their children. Traci and I do not want to hang out with
> siniors either, but it is hard when people our age have children and even
> grand children around them all the time. Traci is sighted, and is having
> much trouble making friends. It is not easy for blind or sighted, if you
> have no family or children. Our society and activities are geared toward
> everyone having children. Most adults meet, because of their children making
> friends. I hear you guys all the way LOL! I wish you the best Ericka!
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Melissa R Green via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 1:45 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: Melissa R Green
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
>> 
>> Good luck erica.  hope you get that training.
>> I think that many are not used to being around people who aren't 
>> married, or who don't have children.
>> Then there are those that think that you have the plague, or that it 
>> was god's will for you not to have children.  I won't even go there 
>> about those who never been married, and how we are treated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Melissa R. Green And Pj
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:22 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: Ericka
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
>> 
>> Rob it isn't a literal shunning but people just don't know what to say 
>> to people with no children so they just don't  intentionally have the 
>> opportunity to meet. Ideally if you're not a parent, you can find work 
>> to talk about at least. Nobody but the senior citizens who have 
>> grown-up kids/grandchildren far away and are not working anymore tend 
>> to talk to me. At 45 I'm not ready to hang out with seniors all the 
>> time unless I'm getting paid to do so sad to say.  I hope you 
>> understand what I'm saying because I know this isn't really well 
>> thought out. Volunteerism is important to me and I'm sure that is one 
>> way I connect with them. After all they have the time to volunteer and so
> do I.
>> 
>> Getting a bit closer to getting adjustment to Blindness training in 
>> Minnesota which will help at least with the job situation.
>> 
>> Ericka Short
>> from my iPhone 6+
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Rob Kaiser via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find it hard to believe that any congregation would shun someone 
>>> who can't have children. To me, if a woman can't have children, it 
>>> (more than
>>> likely)
>>> was God's plan. It couldn't be helped. My problem of getting into a 
>>> church is that I live in Victorfille, CA which is in the high Desert. 
>>> The pera transit isn't very good & I have yet to find anyone in the 
>>> Methodist Church in Victorville to assist me in getting to & from 
>>> choir practice & getting to & from church. It isn't like 10 to 15 
>>> years ago where people were more apt to help disabled people. I guess 
>>> because the world we live in, this is becoming a bigger problem.
>>> 
>>> Luckyalee, I get the news letter from my old church in Orange, CA. in 
>>> that letter there is a link for people to hear the serman from the 
>>> previous Sunday so I'm able to get some form of church until I can 
>>> figure out how to get to my church in Victorville.
>>> 
>>> I'de be curious if anyone else has had the same transportation 
>>> issues, & if they have found a solution.
>>> 
>>> Rob Kaiser
>>> Email;
>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Melissa R Green via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:27 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Melissa R Green <lissa1531 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
>>> 
>>> Very good points Sarah and Erica.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Melissa R. Green And Pj
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:19 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
>>> 
>>> Thank you for saying this Sara. Now I do appreciate people like you 
>>> Linda who are able to work in the school and not miss having your own 
>>> children.
>>> However, I have always felt very uncomfortable in congregations that 
>>> believed as you do. I cannot have children. How would your 
>>> congregation see me if I were married and had no children? What I 
>>> still have to stay home and cook and clean for my husband? I am 
>>> asking this out of curiosity rather than try to make people change 
>>> their values. I was not raised in a conservative Christian home but I 
>>> was raised in a Christian home and my mother worked after all three 
>>> of us were in school. Until then however she was a stay at home mom. 
>>> She still found time to help us with schoolwork and all the other 
>>> things Parents need to do. My father and mother worked together to 
>>> get whatever needed to be done completed at home weathered be chores etc.
>>> All of
>>> us children were expected to do chores and other responsibilities. 
>>> Church
>>> was never an option but mandatory. I would hope that if I were a 
>>> married person in your congregation I would be just as respected as 
>>> married women with children. I also hope that I would not be shunned 
>>> for working outside the home. I have no aptitude for some of the 
>>> things you expect the housewives to do like sewing.
>>> 
>>> I'm glad Linda that you feel welcomed, close to God, and fullfilled 
>>> in your mission. I firmly believe God puts us where we are needed the 
>>> most and where he knows we can thrive so that His plan for our lives 
>>> can be nurtured and happen. We just have to listen to that voice and 
>>> find out!
>>> 
>>> Praying for all who are trying to find their call, their mission, 
>>> their place. Just remember God is with you through it all!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ericka Short
>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>> 608-665-3170
>>> 
>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Linda.
>>>> 
>>>> I certainly appreciate your perspective on this.
>>>> 
>>>> I also want to say that speaking as a female, the way that you are 
>>>> speaking has been used abusively by many conservative churches and 
>>>> there are many women who cannot, and do not have children to raise, 
>>>> or who cannot stay home due to the financial needs of their 
>>>> families. Please bear these things in mind when you are speaking to 
>>>> women. All Scripture has a context. The words of Paul were written 
>>>> to churches in specific cultural situations. Paul had no thought 
>>>> that they were ever to be used to direct the lives of American 
>>>> churches. How we interpret these words needs to be against the 
>>>> similarity of the culture then and the culture now. If we demand 
>>>> that the woman stay home and keep house and the result is that a 
>>>> family becomes impoverished, we have used Scripture to oppress and 
>>>> not as a tool of blessing. The reality is that many women in ancient 
>>>> times worked out of their homes and it is likely that the work they 
>>>> did contributed to their family's welfare both economically and
> otherwise.
>>>> Because of cultural norms, the women did not do the trading. The men 
>>>> did; but the likely traded goods that were produced by women. Please 
>>>> think on this before discouraging a woman from working and using her 
>>>> God-given gifts.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 10:46 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Relationship Issues
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I have read with interest all the posts.  Quite a few things crossed 
>>>> my mind as I read.
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly, Bill, as has been said, you're too eager, and will turn 
>>>> women off with this eagerness or pushiness.  A man tried that with me
> once.
>>>> I
>>>> wasn't interested in marriage, but I gave him a chance.  He was a 
>>>> sighted man who played Bass Viol in the orchestra which accompanied 
>>>> a community choral group with which I sang for many years.  He was 
>>>> very oppressive, and was so full of himself, that I told him that 
>>>> there was no room for me, or anyone else in his life.  He asked me 
>>>> how to attract a woman.  I told him a few things!
>>>> 
>>>> Secoddly, to Erica's point about "shacking up," this one really 
>>>> bothers me.  I don't know who made the rule in the Social Security 
>>>> Administration that people living on SSI lose income when they 
>>>> marry, encouraging even Christians to disobey God's Word the Bible.  
>>>> God never said to forget marriage if you wouldn't have as much mone 
>>>> coming in.  I believe that this is a serious sin, and that God will 
>>>> not bless those relationships, and the people in them, as much as He 
>>>> will those who live their lives in obedience to Him.  Those who do 
>>>> this are defiling the marriage bed, and committing adultery.  Shame 
>>>> on the American leadership for putting this rule forward and 
>>>> enforcing it!
>>>> 
>>>> Thirdly, anyone desiring to be married should study the passages on 
>>>> this in the Bible, especially if they are Christians.  We are not to 
>>>> be unequally yoked with unbelievers, so fellowship with those of 
>>>> like precious faith.  The blind Christian needs to handle himself or 
>>>> herself appropriately, and must be confident, not helpless and 
>>>> dependent on others.  Marriage is a partnership, and a sighted 
>>>> person is not going to even want to enter into a marriage 
>>>> relationship with a blind person who can't take care of themselves.  
>>>> As to how far you should go, keep your clothes on.
>>>> And, if you're a man, and you can't support a woman, get a job.
>>>> God commands mothers to be keepers at home, which society has 
>>>> disobeyed.
>>>> The man is to be the head of the home, as Christ is the head of the 
>>>> Church, and its up to him to provide for his family.  The woman 
>>>> should stay at home and raise the children.
>>>> That's the Biblical plan.  Some have worked it out so that the woman 
>>>> goes to work and the man stays home, in the case of some blind 
>>>> friends I know.  And in some cases, both work.  It's tough to figure 
>>>> this all out, but it should be done prayerfully.
>>>> 
>>>> I am 61, and have remained single and a virgin.  I have had 
>>>> relationships over the years, but they didn't work out.  I am very 
>>>> content as a single woman.  Paul encourages us to be as he is, 
>>>> thereby being able to serve the Lord more fully.  Because I don't 
>>>> have to divide my time between taking care of a husband and family 
>>>> and serving my Lord, I can be single-minded inservice to Him.  I 
>>>> know many who serve the Lord together as couples, and most couples I 
>>>> know and fellowship with are happy, well-adjusted people raising 
>>>> their children in the church.
>>>> 
>>>> If we are willing to obey God's precepts, we will save ourselves 
>>>> from a lot of heartache.  Commit your way to the Lord, and He will 
>>>> give you the desires of your heart.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this makes sense!
>>>> 
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
>>>> 
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