[Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Ashley Bramlett bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Thu May 25 15:04:17 UTC 2017 

I agree with Ericka. I am happy at church and do not mind showing it.
As to praise songs, great point about lyrics. I need to understand the 
lyrics
as well otherwise it could be saying anything. And, yes, its  a different 
feeling hearing from the Lord versus other hopeful or happy feelings such as 
the feel of a secular concert.


Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Well, you should be happy to attend so fun is ok. There's a big difference 
between having fun because you spent time with the Lord and later  enjoy 
chatting & coffee with someone who also cherishes the Lord vs. The rush of 
adrenaline that comes with a rock band concert. That's also a reason I am 
very picky about praise and worship songs. If you can't figure out the 
lyrics then it probably could be saying anything. There's a very different 
feeling when the Lord stimulates your heart versus the pump of adrenaline. 
You remember the feeling from the Lord a lot longer!

That's why any church that doesn't have communion every week is off my list. 
I feel so close to him, just as Debi says.

Ericka Short
from my iPhone 6+

> On May 23, 2017, at 5:18 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> What I see happening in the church, is that the Church is taken on the 
> trends of the world. Jesus never changes, and is the same yesterday, 
> today, and forever. Jesus does not change with the times. The trends of 
> the world has entered the church of God. I have been to many large wild 
> churches over the years where there is a rock band. It is just like a 
> consert, and I do not feel close to the Lord or sense the Holy Spirit at 
> all. I have asked many melennials why they like their church, and they say 
> it is a lot of fun. God does not want us to go to church, because it is 
> fun LOL!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:50 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Jenny Keller
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
> religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org
>
> You're right, most of the churches that do that here or Assembly of God. 
> There's one nondenominational that's like that and that's the biggest 
> church of them all here. I mean serious mega church. I went there to vote 
> one time and man oh man. I had to have serious guidance to get even to the 
> polling place.
>
> Actually, I was told, and it's true, that it used to be a mall so that's 
> how it is.
>
>
> Jenny
>
>> On May 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I've heard of those places. Some of the Assembly of God churches is 
>> crazy like that. Whatever makes a millennial happy I guess but my 
>> question is in the end are these people showing up for the right reasons 
>> and are they really getting the message so that they live their lives for 
>> the Lord rather than for selfish reasons? Some days I wonder if they go 
>> out there for a date hook up, A job connection, or some Starbucks Joe. 
>> Seems like there are too many fickle people that just leave church, 
>> family, or friends for selfish reasons these days. There always good 
>> reasons to leave like abuse and such, but if you don't like the music 
>> that's playing or you don't like how somebody makes the coffee at church 
>> doesn't mean you want to walk out and find another church. It just means 
>> you need to be more participatory and make the coffee yourself some 
>> times. I know people that aren't disable that just left the church 
>> because they didn't like the fact that a congregation didn't have a 
>> certain type of program for their kids. If your kids would enjoy 
>> children's choir and your church doesn't have it, then tell the 
>> congregation and help make that happen! We've been talking about 
>> generations changing and this is just something that bugs me about our 
>> culture.
>>
>> Ericka Short
>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>> Madison. WI. 53704
>> 608-665-3170
>>
>> from my iPhone 6+
>>
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, I didn't mean the kids in the autism spectrum spectrum with the rock 
>>> concert I just meant the whole Sunday school and church for them. I was 
>>> just saying the whole church experience at Rockford first is a full 
>>> blown rock party. Stage lighting, like perfect music, the whole 9 yards 
>>> in fact, if you didn't know better, you wouldn't realize it was a band. 
>>> They are not perfect
>>>
>>> Plus, there's a coffee bar. Really
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow that is interesting Jenny!  Do the kids get a full concert instead 
>>>> of rock 'n' roll? LOL autism spectrum usually means at least touch and 
>>>> sound sensitivity. Sandra please chime in here!
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Short
>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>
>>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a mega church in Rockford called Rockford Memorial and I do 
>>>>> mean mega church.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a ministry and I Sunday school plan for strictly autistic 
>>>>> children. Actually, I think it's a whole Sunday school plus church 
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, it's interesting because their services at the church in general 
>>>>> are like rock concert.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's really great Ashley! I know one church called Monroe Bible 
>>>>>> church that does have some or used to have anyway some kind of 
>>>>>> ministry for disabled kids. A friend of mine from school before that 
>>>>>> I grew up with got that started. He is epileptic and diabetic. Like 
>>>>>> us, he felt that people with disabilities the belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka,
>>>>>>> One of the big non denominational churches here has a transit 
>>>>>>> ministry.
>>>>>>> Many around here have a ministry to people with disabilities and I 
>>>>>>> would imagine someone from that ministry group would give a blind 
>>>>>>> person a ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>> religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley--
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of any church having transit related ministry. I've gone 
>>>>>>> to big & small nondenominational churches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tried to get my old lutheran church to do that. They said "so & so 
>>>>>>> picks up this & that old lady. Why do we need that?" Disability talk 
>>>>>>> went over heads. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>>> how sad. what kind of church was this?
>>>>>>>> Some churches have a transportation coordinator or access ministry 
>>>>>>>> to people with disabilities. They are usually the larger churches; 
>>>>>>>> often non denominational. If some of you need a church home or need 
>>>>>>>> one with transit, you  might try that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a very large non denominational church here near tysons 
>>>>>>>> corner.
>>>>>>>> which has a transportation ministry; they pick people up from the 
>>>>>>>> metro and I think other places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are in the area visit Mclean Bible church. Its too big for 
>>>>>>>> me plus the access issue of lyrics on big screens.
>>>>>>>> But they attract a diverse group of people including some blind 
>>>>>>>> people so it might work for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>>> religion'
>>>>>>>> Cc: Justin Williams
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>>> religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a 5000 member church tell me that no one could come pick me 
>>>>>>>> up to come
>>>>>>>> to church.  The church looked like a castle with huge front glass 
>>>>>>>> windows,
>>>>>>>> and I kid you not, had an elevator in the church.  But,  no one 
>>>>>>>> could come
>>>>>>>> pikc me up for church?
>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>>> Of Jenny
>>>>>>>> Keller via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>> education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all, having one in the Catholic or year. I think it's 
>>>>>>>> interesting people
>>>>>>>> the article special needs special needs special needs it has every 
>>>>>>>> thing but
>>>>>>>> lightness and yes a different special needs his mental and physical
>>>>>>>> situation why this is a whole Nother beast. And people tend to 
>>>>>>>> forget that.
>>>>>>>> Hence why we have to pay crap load the money for him though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see one of the richest churches in the universe 
>>>>>>>> helping pay
>>>>>>>> for the him situation, or most definitely the transit situation 
>>>>>>>> which blind
>>>>>>>> people having difficulty with. I can't afford to pay for 
>>>>>>>> paratransit to take
>>>>>>>> me to choir practice, in fact, when I audition and was asked to be 
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> choir choir director told me that I was not going to be able to ask 
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> for help in transportation in the choir in fact his words were 
>>>>>>>> don't expect
>>>>>>>> anyone to help you get to and from from the choir. And I'm sorry, 
>>>>>>>> that's a
>>>>>>>> little different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems is this the special-needs situation there seem to be more
>>>>>>>> activities and abilities. Also on the other hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not bashing the church. I'm just telling you what I have 
>>>>>>>> seen in
>>>>>>>> several cities in my life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Felt this was a good article to share. No I'm not Catholic, I very 
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> respect this pope and wish everyone clung to his words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201704/catholics-special-needs-religious-
>>>>>>>> education-includes-30990
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>>>>>>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>>>>>>>> 608-665-3170
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
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