[Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Ashley Bramlett bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Thu May 25 15:14:32 UTC 2017 

David,
I think this is an extreme example. I'm sure most churches do not encourage 
drinking and smoking.
I cannot think of one church who would allow beer inside.
There are many college students who would not do these harmful things. So, 
again, its probably just the minority of students. In fact most college 
Christians I knew in my college days were probably more strict about things 
like diet and wearing modest clothes than your average student.

All I can say is that if you do not like a particular church or behavior 
inside it, then do not go there.
We have freedom of religion and worship practices. Many mega churches have 
large services which include rock bands. I do not like worshipping with rock 
music for some of the reasons you and Ericka brought up. But others do. 
After all, the sanctuary was packed for such services. I say was since they 
changed the format a year or two back at the nearest mega non denominational 
church.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: David Moore via Faith-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:24 PM
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Yes,
I have a lot of fun worshiping the Lord, and being encouraged by others to 
live the Christian life, but I am talking about people enjoying the 
instruments in the band, thing it is cool to wear heavy metel shirts, and 
the like. I once was in a church where everyone lit up a smoke right after 
the service. I start coughing LOL! The entire room was full of smoke LOL! 
This was before smoking was banned inside. People swore and said we are just 
sinners. And There was even beer at parties in the church LOL! People were 
getting drunk right in the church building LOL! The church was call Xenos, 
the latton word for fellowship. Bible studies were lead by college students 
who had just come to Christ. They told the others that it was okay to have 
sex while just dating all you want, and if you loved each other, sex was 
fine even if you were just dating.
David Moore
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From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:15 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Ericka
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, 
areligiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org

Well, you should be happy to attend so fun is ok. There's a big difference 
between having fun because you spent time with the Lord and later  enjoy 
chatting & coffee with someone who also cherishes the Lord vs. The rush of 
adrenaline that comes with a rock band concert. That's also a reason I am 
very picky about praise and worship songs. If you can't figure out the 
lyrics then it probably could be saying anything. There's a very different 
feeling when the Lord stimulates your heart versus the pump of adrenaline. 
You remember the feeling from the Lord a lot longer!

That's why any church that doesn't have communion every week is off my list. 
I feel so close to him, just as Debi says.

Ericka Short
from my iPhone 6+

> On May 23, 2017, at 5:18 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk 
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> What I see happening in the church, is that the Church is taken on the 
> trends of the world. Jesus never changes, and is the same yesterday, 
> today, and forever. Jesus does not change with the times. The trends of 
> the world has entered the church of God. I have been to many large wild 
> churches over the years where there is a rock band. It is just like a 
> consert, and I do not feel close to the Lord or sense the Holy Spirit at 
> all. I have asked many melennials why they like their church, and they say 
> it is a lot of fun. God does not want us to go to church, because it is 
> fun LOL!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:50 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Jenny Keller
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
> religiouseducation that includes | USCatholic.org
>
> You're right, most of the churches that do that here or Assembly of God. 
> There's one nondenominational that's like that and that's the biggest 
> church of them all here. I mean serious mega church. I went there to vote 
> one time and man oh man. I had to have serious guidance to get even to the 
> polling place.
>
> Actually, I was told, and it's true, that it used to be a mall so that's 
> how it is.
>
>
> Jenny
>
>> On May 22, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I've heard of those places. Some of the Assembly of God churches is 
>> crazy like that. Whatever makes a millennial happy I guess but my 
>> question is in the end are these people showing up for the right reasons 
>> and are they really getting the message so that they live their lives for 
>> the Lord rather than for selfish reasons? Some days I wonder if they go 
>> out there for a date hook up, A job connection, or some Starbucks Joe. 
>> Seems like there are too many fickle people that just leave church, 
>> family, or friends for selfish reasons these days. There always good 
>> reasons to leave like abuse and such, but if you don't like the music 
>> that's playing or you don't like how somebody makes the coffee at church 
>> doesn't mean you want to walk out and find another church. It just means 
>> you need to be more participatory and make the coffee yourself some 
>> times. I know people that aren't disable that just left the church 
>> because they didn't like the fact that a congregation didn't have a 
>> certain type of program for their kids. If your kids would enjoy 
>> children's choir and your church doesn't have it, then tell the 
>> congregation and help make that happen! We've been talking about 
>> generations changing and this is just something that bugs me about our 
>> culture.
>>
>> Ericka Short
>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>> Madison. WI. 53704
>> 608-665-3170
>>
>> from my iPhone 6+
>>
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, I didn't mean the kids in the autism spectrum spectrum with the rock 
>>> concert I just meant the whole Sunday school and church for them. I was 
>>> just saying the whole church experience at Rockford first is a full 
>>> blown rock party. Stage lighting, like perfect music, the whole 9 yards 
>>> in fact, if you didn't know better, you wouldn't realize it was a band. 
>>> They are not perfect
>>>
>>> Plus, there's a coffee bar. Really
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow that is interesting Jenny!  Do the kids get a full concert instead 
>>>> of rock 'n' roll? LOL autism spectrum usually means at least touch and 
>>>> sound sensitivity. Sandra please chime in here!
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Short
>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>
>>>>> On May 22, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk 
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a mega church in Rockford called Rockford Memorial and I do 
>>>>> mean mega church.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a ministry and I Sunday school plan for strictly autistic 
>>>>> children. Actually, I think it's a whole Sunday school plus church 
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, it's interesting because their services at the church in general 
>>>>> are like rock concert.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's really great Ashley! I know one church called Monroe Bible 
>>>>>> church that does have some or used to have anyway some kind of 
>>>>>> ministry for disabled kids. A friend of mine from school before that 
>>>>>> I grew up with got that started. He is epileptic and diabetic. Like 
>>>>>> us, he felt that people with disabilities the belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 21, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka,
>>>>>>> One of the big non denominational churches here has a transit 
>>>>>>> ministry.
>>>>>>> Many around here have a ministry to people with disabilities and I 
>>>>>>> would imagine someone from that ministry group would give a blind 
>>>>>>> person a ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 4:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>> Cc: Ericka
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>> religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley--
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never heard of any church having transit related ministry. I've gone 
>>>>>>> to big & small nondenominational churches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tried to get my old lutheran church to do that. They said "so & so 
>>>>>>> picks up this & that old lady. Why do we need that?" Disability talk 
>>>>>>> went over heads. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>>> how sad. what kind of church was this?
>>>>>>>> Some churches have a transportation coordinator or access ministry 
>>>>>>>> to people with disabilities. They are usually the larger churches; 
>>>>>>>> often non denominational. If some of you need a church home or need 
>>>>>>>> one with transit, you  might try that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a very large non denominational church here near tysons 
>>>>>>>> corner.
>>>>>>>> which has a transportation ministry; they pick people up from the 
>>>>>>>> metro and I think other places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are in the area visit Mclean Bible church. Its too big for 
>>>>>>>> me plus the access issue of lyrics on big screens.
>>>>>>>> But they attract a diverse group of people including some blind 
>>>>>>>> people so it might work for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Justin Williams via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>>> religion'
>>>>>>>> Cc: Justin Williams
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>>> religious education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a 5000 member church tell me that no one could come pick me 
>>>>>>>> up to come
>>>>>>>> to church.  The church looked like a castle with huge front glass 
>>>>>>>> windows,
>>>>>>>> and I kid you not, had an elevator in the church.  But,  no one 
>>>>>>>> could come
>>>>>>>> pikc me up for church?
>>>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>>> Of Jenny
>>>>>>>> Keller via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] For Catholics with special needs, a 
>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>> education that includes | USCatholic.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all, having one in the Catholic or year. I think it's 
>>>>>>>> interesting people
>>>>>>>> the article special needs special needs special needs it has every 
>>>>>>>> thing but
>>>>>>>> lightness and yes a different special needs his mental and physical
>>>>>>>> situation why this is a whole Nother beast. And people tend to 
>>>>>>>> forget that.
>>>>>>>> Hence why we have to pay crap load the money for him though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I don't see one of the richest churches in the universe 
>>>>>>>> helping pay
>>>>>>>> for the him situation, or most definitely the transit situation 
>>>>>>>> which blind
>>>>>>>> people having difficulty with. I can't afford to pay for 
>>>>>>>> paratransit to take
>>>>>>>> me to choir practice, in fact, when I audition and was asked to be 
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> choir choir director told me that I was not going to be able to ask 
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>> for help in transportation in the choir in fact his words were 
>>>>>>>> don't expect
>>>>>>>> anyone to help you get to and from from the choir. And I'm sorry, 
>>>>>>>> that's a
>>>>>>>> little different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems is this the special-needs situation there seem to be more
>>>>>>>> activities and abilities. Also on the other hand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not bashing the church. I'm just telling you what I have 
>>>>>>>> seen in
>>>>>>>> several cities in my life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Ericka via Faith-Talk 
>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Felt this was a good article to share. No I'm not Catholic, I very 
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> respect this pope and wish everyone clung to his words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201704/catholics-special-needs-religious-
>>>>>>>> education-includes-30990
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ericka Short
>>>>>>>>> 1750 Fordem Ave. #508
>>>>>>>>> Madison. WI. 53704
>>>>>>>>> 608-665-3170
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> from my iPhone 6+
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