[Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?

[David Andrews]

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Dave

At 10:12 PM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
>I hate to keep this subject going, but, with what I have to suggest, perhaps
>we can put an end to it.
>
>I might suggest to you, Jenny, that you contact the Graphical interface list
>for a better answer. Although, Sarah also had a good suggestion.
>
>Go to;
>www/nfbnet.org
>to find the Graphical interface list.
>
>If anyone wants to comment to me on this, it might be better that they
>contact me off list @ the email below.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>Rob Kaiser
>Email;
>rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
>Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:01 PM
>To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion'
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?
>
>Hi, Jenny.
>
>Your post comes across very crossly and doesn't make me feel much like
>answering you. Your failure to proof your spelling also makes it very
>difficult for me to read your message and figure out what you are saying.
>However, I am going to take a moment and respond anyway. In the future
>please do the rest of us the courtesy of proofing your posts. It will help
>us to understand your posts better. For instance, your post includes the
>words "wine person" when you obviously meant "blind person". There are ways
>to take care of this even if you are using Voiceover.
>
>As a consumer, it is your responsibility to research the technology you buy.
>Sometimes that means using Google to find out information as well as asking
>questions and reading reviews. If you post cranky messages on email lists
>about why Google isn't a good source of information for you, the rest of the
>people on the list will just ignore you. You would be surprised what you can
>learn by reading reviews on Amazon. Sighted people also have concerns about
>dust and lint getting in their technology, want to know how durable it is,
>how it feels when it is unfolded on their laps, carry it in their purses
>with other items, etc. So if you are not getting the responses you want from
>blind people, stretch your world a bit. You might find you have something in
>common with sighted people after all. As a matter of fact, when evaluating
>most of my computer technology, I have bought it based on reviews from
>sighted people about how long it lasts, how the battery life is, whether it
>breaks easily, etc. What do you know! We have a lot of common interests.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>Andrews via Faith-Talk
>Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:24 PM
>To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
><faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: [Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?
>
>People may not be answering your question, because they may not know of
>anything.  Secondly, Faith- Talk probably isn't your best source for
>technology-related information.
>
>Dave
>
>At 09:14 PM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
> >Thanks,
> >
> >I don't have a Bluetooth keyboard. I don't know of any that have my
> >needs met. Frankly, I can't afford one anyway. Plus, if I need to
> >travel. I don't want to stick one in my purse that's got whatever in it
> >because I've stuck my hand in it with Lent, dust, whatever in my purse.
> >I don't want to destroy. I've been asking several lists about finding
> >one with cases, or is it fold, or ones that have some sort of
> >protection. But nobody seems to give me answers. And I'm not googling
> >it
> >
> >If Google is going to be everyone's response, frankly, I'm out. I'm
> >done with the mailing list. We're supposed to be asking questions that
> >wine people need to ask. Google does not have a this is how to use it
> >why list. It doesn't have that section. So, I want to know from a blind
> >person's perspective. Not Google's perspective. Anyhow, thank you
> >again, if anybody knows of a Bluetooth keyboard that has what I need.
> >Let me know
> >
> >
> >Jenny
> >
> > > On May 29, 2017, at 5:07 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > > I thought your message was fine except for a couple of words, but
> > it did not take away from the meaning that you are trying to get
> > across. I thought it was a little picky that someone said something.
> > Please, I am a caring and loving person, so do not take that wrong
> > about saying picky. I type very fast, on a keyboard, but I totally
> > understand that people need to dictate. That is why God allowed us to
> > develop that technology for people who have a challenge with using
> > their hands on a keyboard. Your message was fine to me, and I totally
> > understood. Please let us not get this picky on a faith list. God
> > loves all of us, even people who are vegetables. Remember, that
> > everyone is our superior, because we can learn from everyone. God
> > bless, all!
> > > David Moore
> > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > >
> > > From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:04 PM
> > > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > > religion
> > > Cc: Jenny Keller
> > > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >
> > > Currently, I have to use dictation, that's why my messages have
>problems.
> > >
> > > It would take me an hour to do something I can dictate in a minute.
> > >
> > > I can't keep up with what I've said because it takes so long for
> > me to do what I need to do to type out a message. I have coordination
> > issues. So, using the keyboard, or the hand writing feature, is quite
> > slow.
> > >
> > > I do apologize if something came out wrong
> > >
> > >
> > > Jenny
> > >
> > >> On May 28, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Jenny,
> > >> Please proofread your messages.
> > >>
> > >> You can look bookshare up online at bookshare.org.
> > >> Then decide for yourself if its resources and expense fit your
> > needs or wants.
> > >> The fee is $75 to begin.
> > >> You pay an annual fee. The limit of books per month is 100 to
> > begin with which IMO is generous.
> > >> I'm not a member yet as I rarely find books I need on it and
> > fiture I can download from NLS most of stuff I want or need.
> > >>
> > >> It is better in the sense that they have way more books than
> > NLS. They also provide books in a variety of texts formats such as brf
> > which is great
> > >> for braille readers. Some would also argue that bookshare is
> > more flexible than NLS because you can submit a request to them and
> > they usually honor requests. You can even volunteer to scan books for
>them.
> > >> Also, because its text based, you have flexibility in navigating
> > it by chunks of text.
> > >> You can get spellings of words, something critical for students.
> > >> So in many ways it is better. Bookshare is just one more tool in
> > the toolbox if you want to use it.
> > >>
> > >> Ashley
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:04 PM
> > >> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > >> religion
> > >> Cc: Jenny Keller
> > >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>
> > >> What is it mean by volunteering back from them. And, how much is
> > this subscription per month.
> > >>
> > >> Also, why is it better than the talking books which are free? I
> > mean, a lot of times where I've gotten books that talk over the light
> > CDs and tapes nonstop, they're all abridged. So why wouldn't the books
> > year's book the abridged.
> > >>
> > >> Like I said, why is it better than an LS please understand, it's
> > not something I know about.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not a avid reader. But, maybe it's because the readers are
> > just boring. I don't know. So, that would be interesting to know.
> > Thanks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jenny
> > >>
> > >>> On May 26, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Melissa R Green via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> You have to buy a subscription to book share, however, if you
> > are enrolled with Hadley, or any school.  you can get a free
> > subscription.  I also volunteer for them, which which gives me reward
> > credits towards a membership.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Melissa R. Green And Pj
> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> > >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:51 PM
> > >>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > >>> religion
> > >>> Cc: Jenny Keller
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, don't you have to pay for the books on book share. If
> > not, give me info please
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Jenny
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi how are you nick i am from canada but can book share  be
> > >>>> accessed by those who are blind from canada
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Nick Hlifka via Faith-Talk <
> > >>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Ashley and all:
> > >>>>> Nice to meet you all - I'm new to the list, a blind Christian
> > in western
> > >>>>> NY. I use the Braille Note and Bookshare, and there are
> > plenty of Bookshare
> > >>>>> resources for both reading and studying the Bible. Quite a
> > few versions are
> > >>>>> on there, including NIV, KJV, NKJV, ESV, and my personal
> > favorite, NRSV.
> > >>>>> There are lots of commentaries as well - quite a few of them are
> > >>>>> multi-volume sets, so you have to download the one appropriate
> > >>>>> for the section you are reading. But John MacArthur has one that
> > >>>>> is
> > all in one and
> > >>>>> gives nice succinct yet informative descriptions of context,
> > background,
> > >>>>> and verse exposition, including a nice intro for every book
> > in the Bible.
> > >>>>> (Even if you don't agree with all of his theology, it's a good
> > >>>>> choice.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might also consider some books that help understand
> > certain aspects of
> > >>>>> the faith/theology more. David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll, John
> > MacArthur,
> > >>>>> etc. all have tons on there that are really good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And, as was mentioned, Bible Gateway, Bible Hub, Bible Study
> > >>>>> Tools, and other web sites (all quite accessible) are good
> > >>>>> online
> > sources for Bible
> > >>>>> content, studying, free commentaries, and the Bible text itself.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I can always help point you to a specific book/material if
> > >>>>> there's something in particular you're wondering about or want
> > >>>>> to
> > read up on. I'm a
> > >>>>> big reader myself and probably will have some suggestions.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Blessings,
> > >>>>> Nick
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Rob
> > >>>>> Kaiser via Faith-Talk
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
> > >>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > religion' <
> > >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>> Cc: Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, if this hasn't already been posted, if you have a
> > Braiille note, the
> > >>>>> entire King James version of the Bible is in the Braille note
> > i believe. I
> > >>>>> hope this also helps.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Rob Kaiser
> > >>>>> Email;
> > >>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>> Behalf Of debby phillips via Faith-Talk
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:30 PM
> > >>>>> To: Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>> Cc: semisweetdebby at gmail.com
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Ashley, there are several ways to study the Bible. Bible
> > Gateway is a
> > >>>>> very good app if you have a smart phone. But also I believe that
> > >>>>> as you read you may begin to find more understanding. Here's a way
>to do this.
> > >>>>> It's called Lectio Divina, or Divine Reading. Take a passage
> > of Scripture
> > >>>>> and slowly begin to read it. If something strikes you about
> > that passage of
> > >>>>> Scripture, read it again. Then begin to think about what you have
>read.
> > >>>>> This would be meditating on it. Then begin praying about your
> > >>>>> thoughts about the Scripture. Perhaps God will bring something
> > >>>>> to your
> > mind that He
> > >>>>> wants you to do, or to think about more. This is allowing the
> > Word of God
> > >>>>> to speak to you, to your heart. This is not really Bible
> > study per se, but
> > >>>>> it is a way of allowing Scripture to speak to you, to your heart.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you have access to Bookshare, there may be some good
> > -taries. Hope this
> > >>>>> helps.    Debby
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> > >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sarah,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Which faith are you? I was raised Methodist and now I will just
> > >>>>>> identify as a Christian as I'm not really too active in a
> > >>>>>> church and really don't agree with any church doctrines all the
> > >>>>>> way; I mean I accept the main stuff like the Trinity and
> > >>>>>> Apostles creed, but not everything the Methodist church says.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I agree with you about the context of the scriptures. It was
> > >>>>>> written in a different time and place that should be taken into
>account.
> > >>>>>> I do my best to understand the bible but I do not know the
> > >>>>>> contexts of all the actions like the groups such as the Pharasees
>and Sadducees.
> > >>>>>> I don't understand some of the Bible actually particularly the
> > >>>>>> Old testament. I wish there was some accessible Study Bibles
> > >>>>>> which have those notes to put the scripture in context and give you
>definitions.
> > >>>>>> I read the NIV in braille.
> > >>>>>> I don't take the bible too literally, but, I'm not very liberal
> > >>>>>> either; I suppose I'm in between. As to the gender thing, I'm
> > >>>>>> wondering which scriptures tell us a woman should stay home and
> > >>>>>> rear children and man needs to be the breadwinner. I've read a
> > >>>>>> lot of scripture, although more of the New testament. I don't
> > >>>>>> seem to  recall these passages Linda says and believes.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I did see references to women caring for children actually;
> > >>>>>> Paul tells us that and its in Romans and Acts if I remember
> > >>>>>> correctly. But Paul did not exclude women working I don't think.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I do think its better for a parent or family member to stay
> > >>>>>> home and care for the kids. But IMO, it does not have to be the
> > >>>>>> mother. It can be a stay at home father; even a retired
> > >>>>>> neighbor, or even a
> > grandparent.
> > >>>>>> Kids need someone to watch them, love them, hug them and hold
> > >>>>>> them especially as a young toddler, teach them values, enforce
> > >>>>>> academics, and more, and with two parents working, its hard to do
>such a thing.
> > >>>>>> Heck, many parents do not even see their children since they
> > >>>>>> are put to bed like at
> > >>>>>> 7:00 or 8:00 before one parent gets home from work. How  sad I
> > >>>>>> think as this parent has little relationship with their kid.
> > >>>>>> Also, I think day care raising your kids can bring on several
>issues.
> > >>>>>> And, I'm not going to start on my rant about day cares as that
> > >>>>>> is not exactly on topic.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sarah, I'm sure you read the Bible carefully. I wish you
> > >>>>>> success in your upcoming ministry.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ashley
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:59 PM
> > >>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith
> > and religion'
> > >>>>>> Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi, Linda.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In fact, I have read for myself and have asked that the Holy
> > >>>>>> Spirit helped me to understand and to live accordingly. This is
> > >>>>>> part of the difficulty that I am having. What you are saying
> > >>>>>> here is that obviously I have not done this, or else the Holy
> > >>>>>> Spirit would have led me to understand and to live as you do.
> > >>>>>> What the Holy Spirit led me to understand is that those
> > >>>>>> passages were written within a cultural context that is very
> > >>>>>> important to understand and that in order to understand the
>Scripture I needed to research that context.
> > I hope that
> > >>>>> our differing perspectives make better sense now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>>> Behalf Of Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
> > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:55 AM
> > >>>>>> To: Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>> Cc: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
> > >>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Sarah and All,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It seems that I have used incorrect terminology.  I am sorry,
> > >>>>>> and will no longer mention false doctrines or state what I and
> > >>>>>> my church believe.  It's a big part of the faith which I have,
> > >>>>>> but some can't read about it because they're uncomfortable with
> > >>>>>> what I post.  I will refrain, but everyone else here has the
> > >>>>>> freedom to do so.  I am not a Greek or Hebrew scholar as others
>here are.
> > >>>>>> Sarah, I wish you would have said I was using those words
> > >>>>>> incorrectly in the first place.  You could have been
> > >>>>>> comfortable here a lot sooner had you done so.  Now that I
> > >>>>>> know, I will cease to share what I believe to be Biblical
> > >>>>>> teachings, and will no longer share how they are still
> > >>>>>> applicable to us today.  If listers are so inclined, and as
> > >>>>>> Christians we all should be, read the Bible for yourselves, and
> > >>>>>> ask that God, through His Holy Spirit, would help you to
> > >>>>>> understand and to
> > >>>>> live accordingly.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Blessings,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Linda