[Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?

Tue May 30 03:12:17 UTC 2017

I hate to keep this subject going, but, with what I have to suggest, perhaps
we can put an end to it. 

I might suggest to you, Jenny, that you contact the Graphical interface list
for a better answer. Although, Sarah also had a good suggestion. 

Go to;
www/nfbnet.org
to find the Graphical interface list. 

If anyone wants to comment to me on this, it might be better that they
contact me off list @ the email below. 

I hope this helps.

Rob Kaiser
Email;
rcubfank at sbcglobal.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:01 PM
To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion'
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?

Hi, Jenny.

Your post comes across very crossly and doesn't make me feel much like
answering you. Your failure to proof your spelling also makes it very
difficult for me to read your message and figure out what you are saying.
However, I am going to take a moment and respond anyway. In the future
please do the rest of us the courtesy of proofing your posts. It will help
us to understand your posts better. For instance, your post includes the
words "wine person" when you obviously meant "blind person". There are ways
to take care of this even if you are using Voiceover.

As a consumer, it is your responsibility to research the technology you buy.
Sometimes that means using Google to find out information as well as asking
questions and reading reviews. If you post cranky messages on email lists
about why Google isn't a good source of information for you, the rest of the
people on the list will just ignore you. You would be surprised what you can
learn by reading reviews on Amazon. Sighted people also have concerns about
dust and lint getting in their technology, want to know how durable it is,
how it feels when it is unfolded on their laps, carry it in their purses
with other items, etc. So if you are not getting the responses you want from
blind people, stretch your world a bit. You might find you have something in
common with sighted people after all. As a matter of fact, when evaluating
most of my computer technology, I have bought it based on reviews from
sighted people about how long it lasts, how the battery life is, whether it
breaks easily, etc. What do you know! We have a lot of common interests.

-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
Andrews via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:24 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Subject: [Faith-talk] Bluetooth Keyboard?

People may not be answering your question, because they may not know of
anything.  Secondly, Faith- Talk probably isn't your best source for
technology-related information.

Dave

At 09:14 PM 5/29/2017, you wrote:
>Thanks,
>
>I don't have a Bluetooth keyboard. I don't know of any that have my 
>needs met. Frankly, I can't afford one anyway. Plus, if I need to 
>travel. I don't want to stick one in my purse that's got whatever in it 
>because I've stuck my hand in it with Lent, dust, whatever in my purse.
>I don't want to destroy. I've been asking several lists about finding 
>one with cases, or is it fold, or ones that have some sort of 
>protection. But nobody seems to give me answers. And I'm not googling 
>it
>
>If Google is going to be everyone's response, frankly, I'm out. I'm 
>done with the mailing list. We're supposed to be asking questions that 
>wine people need to ask. Google does not have a this is how to use it 
>why list. It doesn't have that section. So, I want to know from a blind 
>person's perspective. Not Google's perspective. Anyhow, thank you 
>again, if anybody knows of a Bluetooth keyboard that has what I need.
>Let me know
>
>
>Jenny
>
> > On May 29, 2017, at 5:07 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > I thought your message was fine except for a couple of words, but
> it did not take away from the meaning that you are trying to get 
> across. I thought it was a little picky that someone said something.
> Please, I am a caring and loving person, so do not take that wrong 
> about saying picky. I type very fast, on a keyboard, but I totally 
> understand that people need to dictate. That is why God allowed us to 
> develop that technology for people who have a challenge with using 
> their hands on a keyboard. Your message was fine to me, and I totally 
> understood. Please let us not get this picky on a faith list. God 
> loves all of us, even people who are vegetables. Remember, that 
> everyone is our superior, because we can learn from everyone. God 
> bless, all!
> > David Moore
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:04 PM
> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
> > religion
> > Cc: Jenny Keller
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >
> > Currently, I have to use dictation, that's why my messages have
problems.
> >
> > It would take me an hour to do something I can dictate in a minute.
> >
> > I can't keep up with what I've said because it takes so long for
> me to do what I need to do to type out a message. I have coordination 
> issues. So, using the keyboard, or the hand writing feature, is quite 
> slow.
> >
> > I do apologize if something came out wrong
> >
> >
> > Jenny
> >
> >> On May 28, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jenny,
> >> Please proofread your messages.
> >>
> >> You can look bookshare up online at bookshare.org.
> >> Then decide for yourself if its resources and expense fit your
> needs or wants.
> >> The fee is $75 to begin.
> >> You pay an annual fee. The limit of books per month is 100 to
> begin with which IMO is generous.
> >> I'm not a member yet as I rarely find books I need on it and
> fiture I can download from NLS most of stuff I want or need.
> >>
> >> It is better in the sense that they have way more books than
> NLS. They also provide books in a variety of texts formats such as brf 
> which is great
> >> for braille readers. Some would also argue that bookshare is
> more flexible than NLS because you can submit a request to them and 
> they usually honor requests. You can even volunteer to scan books for
them.
> >> Also, because its text based, you have flexibility in navigating
> it by chunks of text.
> >> You can get spellings of words, something critical for students.
> >> So in many ways it is better. Bookshare is just one more tool in
> the toolbox if you want to use it.
> >>
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:04 PM
> >> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
> >> religion
> >> Cc: Jenny Keller
> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>
> >> What is it mean by volunteering back from them. And, how much is
> this subscription per month.
> >>
> >> Also, why is it better than the talking books which are free? I
> mean, a lot of times where I've gotten books that talk over the light 
> CDs and tapes nonstop, they're all abridged. So why wouldn't the books 
> year's book the abridged.
> >>
> >> Like I said, why is it better than an LS please understand, it's
> not something I know about.
> >>
> >> I'm not a avid reader. But, maybe it's because the readers are
> just boring. I don't know. So, that would be interesting to know. 
> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> Jenny
> >>
> >>> On May 26, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Melissa R Green via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You have to buy a subscription to book share, however, if you
> are enrolled with Hadley, or any school.  you can get a free 
> subscription.  I also volunteer for them, which which gives me reward 
> credits towards a membership.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Melissa R. Green And Pj
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:51 PM
> >>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and 
> >>> religion
> >>> Cc: Jenny Keller
> >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>>
> >>> Also, don't you have to pay for the books on book share. If
> not, give me info please
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jenny
> >>>
> >>>> On May 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi how are you nick i am from canada but can book share  be 
> >>>> accessed by those who are blind from canada
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Nick Hlifka via Faith-Talk < 
> >>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ashley and all:
> >>>>> Nice to meet you all - I'm new to the list, a blind Christian
> in western
> >>>>> NY. I use the Braille Note and Bookshare, and there are
> plenty of Bookshare
> >>>>> resources for both reading and studying the Bible. Quite a
> few versions are
> >>>>> on there, including NIV, KJV, NKJV, ESV, and my personal
> favorite, NRSV.
> >>>>> There are lots of commentaries as well - quite a few of them are 
> >>>>> multi-volume sets, so you have to download the one appropriate 
> >>>>> for the section you are reading. But John MacArthur has one that 
> >>>>> is
> all in one and
> >>>>> gives nice succinct yet informative descriptions of context,
> background,
> >>>>> and verse exposition, including a nice intro for every book
> in the Bible.
> >>>>> (Even if you don't agree with all of his theology, it's a good
> >>>>> choice.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might also consider some books that help understand
> certain aspects of
> >>>>> the faith/theology more. David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll, John
> MacArthur,
> >>>>> etc. all have tons on there that are really good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, as was mentioned, Bible Gateway, Bible Hub, Bible Study 
> >>>>> Tools, and other web sites (all quite accessible) are good 
> >>>>> online
> sources for Bible
> >>>>> content, studying, free commentaries, and the Bible text itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can always help point you to a specific book/material if 
> >>>>> there's something in particular you're wondering about or want 
> >>>>> to
> read up on. I'm a
> >>>>> big reader myself and probably will have some suggestions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Blessings,
> >>>>> Nick
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Rob
> >>>>> Kaiser via Faith-Talk
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
> >>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> religion' <
> >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, if this hasn't already been posted, if you have a
> Braiille note, the
> >>>>> entire King James version of the Bible is in the Braille note
> i believe. I
> >>>>> hope this also helps.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rob Kaiser
> >>>>> Email;
> >>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>>> Behalf Of debby phillips via Faith-Talk
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:30 PM
> >>>>> To: Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: semisweetdebby at gmail.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Ashley, there are several ways to study the Bible. Bible
> Gateway is a
> >>>>> very good app if you have a smart phone. But also I believe that 
> >>>>> as you read you may begin to find more understanding. Here's a way
to do this.
> >>>>> It's called Lectio Divina, or Divine Reading. Take a passage
> of Scripture
> >>>>> and slowly begin to read it. If something strikes you about
> that passage of
> >>>>> Scripture, read it again. Then begin to think about what you have
read.
> >>>>> This would be meditating on it. Then begin praying about your 
> >>>>> thoughts about the Scripture. Perhaps God will bring something 
> >>>>> to your
> mind that He
> >>>>> wants you to do, or to think about more. This is allowing the
> Word of God
> >>>>> to speak to you, to your heart. This is not really Bible
> study per se, but
> >>>>> it is a way of allowing Scripture to speak to you, to your heart.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have access to Bookshare, there may be some good
> -taries. Hope this
> >>>>> helps.    Debby
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk < 
> >>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sarah,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which faith are you? I was raised Methodist and now I will just 
> >>>>>> identify as a Christian as I'm not really too active in a 
> >>>>>> church and really don't agree with any church doctrines all the 
> >>>>>> way; I mean I accept the main stuff like the Trinity and 
> >>>>>> Apostles creed, but not everything the Methodist church says.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree with you about the context of the scriptures. It was 
> >>>>>> written in a different time and place that should be taken into
account.
> >>>>>> I do my best to understand the bible but I do not know the 
> >>>>>> contexts of all the actions like the groups such as the Pharasees
and Sadducees.
> >>>>>> I don't understand some of the Bible actually particularly the 
> >>>>>> Old testament. I wish there was some accessible Study Bibles 
> >>>>>> which have those notes to put the scripture in context and give you
definitions.
> >>>>>> I read the NIV in braille.
> >>>>>> I don't take the bible too literally, but, I'm not very liberal 
> >>>>>> either; I suppose I'm in between. As to the gender thing, I'm 
> >>>>>> wondering which scriptures tell us a woman should stay home and 
> >>>>>> rear children and man needs to be the breadwinner. I've read a 
> >>>>>> lot of scripture, although more of the New testament. I don't 
> >>>>>> seem to  recall these passages Linda says and believes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I did see references to women caring for children actually; 
> >>>>>> Paul tells us that and its in Romans and Acts if I remember 
> >>>>>> correctly. But Paul did not exclude women working I don't think.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do think its better for a parent or family member to stay 
> >>>>>> home and care for the kids. But IMO, it does not have to be the 
> >>>>>> mother. It can be a stay at home father; even a retired 
> >>>>>> neighbor, or even a
> grandparent.
> >>>>>> Kids need someone to watch them, love them, hug them and hold 
> >>>>>> them especially as a young toddler, teach them values, enforce 
> >>>>>> academics, and more, and with two parents working, its hard to do
such a thing.
> >>>>>> Heck, many parents do not even see their children since they 
> >>>>>> are put to bed like at
> >>>>>> 7:00 or 8:00 before one parent gets home from work. How  sad I 
> >>>>>> think as this parent has little relationship with their kid.
> >>>>>> Also, I think day care raising your kids can bring on several
issues.
> >>>>>> And, I'm not going to start on my rant about day cares as that 
> >>>>>> is not exactly on topic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sarah, I'm sure you read the Bible carefully. I wish you 
> >>>>>> success in your upcoming ministry.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ashley
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:59 PM
> >>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith
> and religion'
> >>>>>> Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, Linda.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In fact, I have read for myself and have asked that the Holy 
> >>>>>> Spirit helped me to understand and to live accordingly. This is 
> >>>>>> part of the difficulty that I am having. What you are saying 
> >>>>>> here is that obviously I have not done this, or else the Holy 
> >>>>>> Spirit would have led me to understand and to live as you do.
> >>>>>> What the Holy Spirit led me to understand is that those 
> >>>>>> passages were written within a cultural context that is very 
> >>>>>> important to understand and that in order to understand the
Scripture I needed to research that context.
> I hope that
> >>>>> our differing perspectives make better sense now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >>>>>> Behalf Of Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:55 AM
> >>>>>> To: Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Cc: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Terminology
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Sarah and All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems that I have used incorrect terminology.  I am sorry, 
> >>>>>> and will no longer mention false doctrines or state what I and 
> >>>>>> my church believe.  It's a big part of the faith which I have, 
> >>>>>> but some can't read about it because they're uncomfortable with 
> >>>>>> what I post.  I will refrain, but everyone else here has the 
> >>>>>> freedom to do so.  I am not a Greek or Hebrew scholar as others
here are.
> >>>>>> Sarah, I wish you would have said I was using those words 
> >>>>>> incorrectly in the first place.  You could have been 
> >>>>>> comfortable here a lot sooner had you done so.  Now that I 
> >>>>>> know, I will cease to share what I believe to be Biblical 
> >>>>>> teachings, and will no longer share how they are still 
> >>>>>> applicable to us today.  If listers are so inclined, and as 
> >>>>>> Christians we all should be, read the Bible for yourselves, and 
> >>>>>> ask that God, through His Holy Spirit, would help you to 
> >>>>>> understand and to
> >>>>> live accordingly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Blessings,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Linda

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