[Faith-talk] keyboards was Terminology
Ashley Bramlett
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Tue May 30 04:59:49 UTC 2017
Jenny,
I wish you could proofread; I think you meant to say "blind people" not
"wine people".
I think you might get better responses on the NFB gui talk list. Also, we
cannot answer you without knowing your needs.
I will say also that sighted people have the concerns you do regarding dust
on the keyboards so I'd encourage you not to limit yourself to blind people.
Use of bluetooth keyboards among blind people is as diverse as the keyboards
themselves. So, keyboard selection is not usually a blindness thing but more
of a preference thing. In your case you might need a specialized keyboard.
I would encourage you to go to stores and get a feel for the keyboards and
pick one for you. I did that with my laptop wireless keyboard.
People now a days like small things, but I picked a wireless keyboard with
standard spacing of keys and the traditional sixx pack of keys.
Some keyboards were so small that my fingers hit two keys at a time if
typing fast!
I will say what I know.
For use with an IOS device like an Iphone, blind people often buy keyboards
from Apple.
They usually want a full size qwerty keyboard.
Most blind people I know have a folding keyboard.
You can fold it in a small bag that comes with it.
When folded the size varies, but you can easily fit the keyboard in a purse
with your phone.
If you really need more info, write me off list and I can ask around and get
you specific models of keyboards.
The email is bookwormahb at earthlink.net.
HTH,
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:14 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Jenny Keller
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
Thanks,
I don't have a Bluetooth keyboard. I don't know of any that have my needs
met. Frankly, I can't afford one anyway. Plus, if I need to travel. I don't
want to stick one in my purse that's got whatever in it because I've stuck
my hand in it with Lent, dust, whatever in my purse. I don't want to
destroy. I've been asking several lists about finding one with cases, or is
it fold, or ones that have some sort of protection. But nobody seems to give
me answers. And I'm not googling it
If Google is going to be everyone's response, frankly, I'm out. I'm done
with the mailing list. We're supposed to be asking questions that wine
people need to ask. Google does not have a this is how to use it why list.
It doesn't have that section. So, I want to know from a blind person's
perspective. Not Google's perspective. Anyhow, thank you again, if anybody
knows of a Bluetooth keyboard that has what I need. Let me know
Jenny
> On May 29, 2017, at 5:07 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I thought your message was fine except for a couple of words, but it did
> not take away from the meaning that you are trying to get across. I
> thought it was a little picky that someone said something. Please, I am a
> caring and loving person, so do not take that wrong about saying picky. I
> type very fast, on a keyboard, but I totally understand that people need
> to dictate. That is why God allowed us to develop that technology for
> people who have a challenge with using their hands on a keyboard. Your
> message was fine to me, and I totally understood. Please let us not get
> this picky on a faith list. God loves all of us, even people who are
> vegetables. Remember, that everyone is our superior, because we can learn
> from everyone. God bless, all!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 3:04 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: Jenny Keller
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>
> Currently, I have to use dictation, that's why my messages have problems.
>
> It would take me an hour to do something I can dictate in a minute.
>
> I can't keep up with what I've said because it takes so long for me to do
> what I need to do to type out a message. I have coordination issues. So,
> using the keyboard, or the hand writing feature, is quite slow.
>
> I do apologize if something came out wrong
>
>
> Jenny
>
>> On May 28, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Jenny,
>> Please proofread your messages.
>>
>> You can look bookshare up online at bookshare.org.
>> Then decide for yourself if its resources and expense fit your needs or
>> wants.
>> The fee is $75 to begin.
>> You pay an annual fee. The limit of books per month is 100 to begin with
>> which IMO is generous.
>> I'm not a member yet as I rarely find books I need on it and fiture I can
>> download from NLS most of stuff I want or need.
>>
>> It is better in the sense that they have way more books than NLS. They
>> also provide books in a variety of texts formats such as brf which is
>> great
>> for braille readers. Some would also argue that bookshare is more
>> flexible than NLS because you can submit a request to them and they
>> usually honor requests. You can even volunteer to scan books for them.
>> Also, because its text based, you have flexibility in navigating it by
>> chunks of text.
>> You can get spellings of words, something critical for students.
>> So in many ways it is better. Bookshare is just one more tool in the
>> toolbox if you want to use it.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:04 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: Jenny Keller
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>
>> What is it mean by volunteering back from them. And, how much is this
>> subscription per month.
>>
>> Also, why is it better than the talking books which are free? I mean, a
>> lot of times where I've gotten books that talk over the light CDs and
>> tapes nonstop, they're all abridged. So why wouldn't the books year's
>> book the abridged.
>>
>> Like I said, why is it better than an LS please understand, it's not
>> something I know about.
>>
>> I'm not a avid reader. But, maybe it's because the readers are just
>> boring. I don't know. So, that would be interesting to know. Thanks
>>
>>
>> Jenny
>>
>>> On May 26, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Melissa R Green via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> You have to buy a subscription to book share, however, if you are
>>> enrolled with Hadley, or any school. you can get a free subscription.
>>> I also volunteer for them, which which gives me reward credits towards a
>>> membership.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Melissa R. Green And Pj
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Keller via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:51 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: Jenny Keller
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>>
>>> Also, don't you have to pay for the books on book share. If not, give me
>>> info please
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>>
>>>> On May 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi how are you nick i am from canada but can book share be accessed by
>>>> those who are blind from canada
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Nick Hlifka via Faith-Talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ashley and all:
>>>>> Nice to meet you all - I'm new to the list, a blind Christian in
>>>>> western
>>>>> NY. I use the Braille Note and Bookshare, and there are plenty of
>>>>> Bookshare
>>>>> resources for both reading and studying the Bible. Quite a few
>>>>> versions are
>>>>> on there, including NIV, KJV, NKJV, ESV, and my personal favorite,
>>>>> NRSV.
>>>>> There are lots of commentaries as well - quite a few of them are
>>>>> multi-volume sets, so you have to download the one appropriate for the
>>>>> section you are reading. But John MacArthur has one that is all in one
>>>>> and
>>>>> gives nice succinct yet informative descriptions of context,
>>>>> background,
>>>>> and verse exposition, including a nice intro for every book in the
>>>>> Bible.
>>>>> (Even if you don't agree with all of his theology, it's a good
>>>>> choice.)
>>>>>
>>>>> You might also consider some books that help understand certain
>>>>> aspects of
>>>>> the faith/theology more. David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll, John
>>>>> MacArthur,
>>>>> etc. all have tons on there that are really good.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, as was mentioned, Bible Gateway, Bible Hub, Bible Study Tools,
>>>>> and
>>>>> other web sites (all quite accessible) are good online sources for
>>>>> Bible
>>>>> content, studying, free commentaries, and the Bible text itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can always help point you to a specific book/material if there's
>>>>> something in particular you're wondering about or want to read up on.
>>>>> I'm a
>>>>> big reader myself and probably will have some suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> Kaiser via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>>>> religion' <
>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if this hasn't already been posted, if you have a Braiille note,
>>>>> the
>>>>> entire King James version of the Bible is in the Braille note i
>>>>> believe. I
>>>>> hope this also helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Kaiser
>>>>> Email;
>>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> debby phillips via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:30 PM
>>>>> To: Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: semisweetdebby at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ashley, there are several ways to study the Bible. Bible Gateway is
>>>>> a
>>>>> very good app if you have a smart phone. But also I believe that as
>>>>> you
>>>>> read you may begin to find more understanding. Here's a way to do
>>>>> this.
>>>>> It's called Lectio Divina, or Divine Reading. Take a passage of
>>>>> Scripture
>>>>> and slowly begin to read it. If something strikes you about that
>>>>> passage of
>>>>> Scripture, read it again. Then begin to think about what you have
>>>>> read.
>>>>> This would be meditating on it. Then begin praying about your thoughts
>>>>> about the Scripture. Perhaps God will bring something to your mind
>>>>> that He
>>>>> wants you to do, or to think about more. This is allowing the Word of
>>>>> God
>>>>> to speak to you, to your heart. This is not really Bible study per se,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it is a way of allowing Scripture to speak to you, to your heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have access to Bookshare, there may be some good -taries. Hope
>>>>> this
>>>>> helps. Debby
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which faith are you? I was raised Methodist and now I will just
>>>>>> identify as a Christian as I'm not really too active in a church and
>>>>>> really don't agree with any church doctrines all the way; I mean I
>>>>>> accept the main stuff like the Trinity and Apostles creed, but not
>>>>>> everything the Methodist church says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you about the context of the scriptures. It was written
>>>>>> in a different time and place that should be taken into account.
>>>>>> I do my best to understand the bible but I do not know the contexts
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> all the actions like the groups such as the Pharasees and Sadducees.
>>>>>> I don't understand some of the Bible actually particularly the Old
>>>>>> testament. I wish there was some accessible Study Bibles which have
>>>>>> those notes to put the scripture in context and give you definitions.
>>>>>> I read the NIV in braille.
>>>>>> I don't take the bible too literally, but, I'm not very liberal
>>>>>> either; I suppose I'm in between. As to the gender thing, I'm
>>>>>> wondering which scriptures tell us a woman should stay home and rear
>>>>>> children and man needs to be the breadwinner. I've read a lot of
>>>>>> scripture, although more of the New testament. I don't seem to
>>>>>> recall
>>>>>> these passages Linda says and believes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did see references to women caring for children actually; Paul
>>>>>> tells
>>>>>> us that and its in Romans and Acts if I remember correctly. But Paul
>>>>>> did not exclude women working I don't think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do think its better for a parent or family member to stay home and
>>>>>> care for the kids. But IMO, it does not have to be the mother. It can
>>>>>> be a stay at home father; even a retired neighbor, or even a
>>>>>> grandparent.
>>>>>> Kids need someone to watch them, love them, hug them and hold them
>>>>>> especially as a young toddler, teach them values, enforce academics,
>>>>>> and more, and with two parents working, its hard to do such a thing.
>>>>>> Heck, many parents do not even see their children since they are put
>>>>>> to bed like at
>>>>>> 7:00 or 8:00 before one parent gets home from work. How sad I think
>>>>>> as this parent has little relationship with their kid.
>>>>>> Also, I think day care raising your kids can bring on several issues.
>>>>>> And, I'm not going to start on my rant about day cares as that is not
>>>>>> exactly on topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah, I'm sure you read the Bible carefully. I wish you success in
>>>>>> your upcoming ministry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 2:59 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>>>>> religion'
>>>>>> Cc: sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Linda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, I have read for myself and have asked that the Holy Spirit
>>>>>> helped me to understand and to live accordingly. This is part of the
>>>>>> difficulty that I am having. What you are saying here is that
>>>>>> obviously I have not done this, or else the Holy Spirit would have
>>>>>> led
>>>>>> me to understand and to live as you do. What the Holy Spirit led me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> understand is that those passages were written within a cultural
>>>>>> context that is very important to understand and that in order to
>>>>>> understand the Scripture I needed to research that context. I hope
>>>>>> that
>>>>> our differing perspectives make better sense now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Linda Mentink via Faith-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:55 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Terminology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sarah and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that I have used incorrect terminology. I am sorry, and
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> no longer mention false doctrines or state what I and my church
>>>>>> believe. It's a big part of the faith which I have, but some can't
>>>>>> read about it because they're uncomfortable with what I post. I will
>>>>>> refrain, but everyone else here has the freedom to do so. I am not a
>>>>>> Greek or Hebrew scholar as others here are.
>>>>>> Sarah, I wish you would have said I was using those words incorrectly
>>>>>> in the first place. You could have been comfortable here a lot
>>>>>> sooner
>>>>>> had you done so. Now that I know, I will cease to share what I
>>>>>> believe to be Biblical teachings, and will no longer share how they
>>>>>> are still applicable to us today. If listers are so inclined, and as
>>>>>> Christians we all should be, read the Bible for yourselves, and ask
>>>>>> that God, through His Holy Spirit, would help you to understand and
>>>>>> to
>>>>> live accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
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