[Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they arethe other sex!

Sat Sep 16 20:16:58 UTC 2017

this is a very interesting topic. I'm a Christian but I also know that there
is much that we don't understand about how a child can develop before birth
and if there is some sort of physical change that happens that doesn't match
how can that child be blamed or condemned these are questions that don't
always have clear answers.

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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that they
arethe other sex!

Hello all,

I respectfully disagree. In the Quran, chapter 42 verses 49 and 50, it
states "He creates what He wills. He give to whom He wills females, He gives
to whom He wills makes, or He makes them both male and female. And he
renders whom He wills barren. Indeed, He is knowing and competent." Allah
creates diversity and transgender people are part of that diversity. They
are a part of His creation. In Islam, no one can tell anyone else what they
believe in or what their relationship is to Allah. 

I have a couple questions for you all about this topic what makes anyone
here assume that LGBT people are not religious? When did you know you were
male or female?

The contempt that I have read in these messages about transgender people was
one of many reasons why I left Christianity and converted to Islam. Are
there Muslims who dispose the LGBT community? Yes. Are there Christians who
are LGBT affirming? Yes.  But I do not agree with forcing people to live a
lie or follow what someone else has told them to do. Each person has their
unique relationship to God. Part of the reason why so manyLGBT folks I know
who no longer go to church, mosque or synagogue is because of spiritual
trauma stemming from the condemnation of who they are. Over and over again,
they are told that who they are is wrong and they are doomed to hell fire.
Many heterosexual and cisgender (not transgender) folks do not get the same
messages in places of worship. One of the Bible quotes I try and live by is
"Judge and ye shall be judged." I try not to judge people for who they are,
the choices they make and how they live their lives. Since God created
everything and He loves everything He creates, why shouldn't I as well?

Kaden
> On 16 Sep 2017, at 01:08, Marianne Haas via Faith-Talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do agree with you.  I think children should learn about this topic 
> at home.  I also do not think that children can decide what sex they are.
> 
> Marianne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> David Moore via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:48 PM
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> Cc: David Moore
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that 
> they arethe other sex!
> 
> Exactly Ericka,
> Teachers should not be bringing this up, unless the child has a 
> question. If I was a teacher, and a child asked me about this, I would 
> call the parents and have them come in for a meeting. Teachers should 
> not be playing Mom and Dad in schools.
> Have a great one!
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:41 PM
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> Cc: Ericka
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Little children being told in school that 
> they arethe other sex!
> 
> This isn't a conversation the kindergarten should have been having 
> with her kids. I can understand feeling like you should, but this is 
> something that's up to Parents and it bothers me that they were not 
> aware. Unless the child provokes the topic transgender shouldn't be 
> spoken about until kids are in second grade. Parents should always be 
> notified regardless. I do know that some babies are born with both 
> sets of genitalia and the doctors decide. But that doesn't mean that 
> the rest of their genetic make up follows what the doctor chose. I 
> have no idea how common or how rare that is. I'm just stating that 
> there is some merit to people I'm not feeling comfortable in their own 
> skin. Girls have different hormones for example. I have the feeling 
> that once the doctor chooses what a baby's gender will be in these 
> cases they just do blood work to find out later and give them proper 
> medication which the kid doesn't know anything about. Considering 
> there are a lot of hormonal and balance is out there like polycystic 
> ovarian syndrome we can't totally write this off. Someday hopefully will
be able to figure out why this happens, but until then only our dear Lord
knows.
> 
> Personally I'm glad we'renot all  cookie  cutters! Sure if we came out 
> of the womb and looked and thought the same life would be easy, but 
> God never said life was supposed to be.  There's a variety in this 
> world to teach us the fruits of the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-23)
> 
> 
> Ericka Short
> from my iPhone 6+
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2017, at 5:58 PM, David Moore via Faith-Talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Please read this, and think about how confused you would have been as 
>> a
> child if this had happened to you. It is a lost nation we live in!
>> Kindergarten Transgender Reveal, a "Pronoun Mishap" and Abandoning 
>> God's Word  by  Ken Ham  on September 14, 2017 The craziness of a 
>> culture unhinged from the truth of God's Word  continues!
>> Two stories, both involving the same charter school in California, 
>> have been  in the news recently because of transgender controversy.
>> And both  stories highlight the confusion that results from 
>> abandoning the  absolute authority of  God's Word.
>> Apparently,
>> at the end of the school year a few months ago, a kindergarten 
>> teacher  read two kids' books dealing with transgender to her class.
>> After  reading the books,  a male student got up and reportedly 
>> switched into girls' clothing and  was introduced to the class as a 
>> girl with a different name and  different pronouns.
>> Parents had not been notified this was going to happen, and many were 
>> understandably upset about it, as were many of the children in the 
>> class who were  confused and scared by it all.
>> Well, this academy is
>> back in the news again
>> because a first grader greeted this boy, who now identifies as a 
>> girl,  by his original male name, the name she knew him as all last year.
>> Reportedly,
>> the first grader was reprimanded on the playground and sent to the 
>> principal's office to determine if the incident was bullying or a 
>> genuine "pronoun mishap."
>> Apparently, the little girl was very upset from the incident and felt 
>> as if she was being punished for greeting someone.
>> As schools and other institutions bend over backward to accommodate 
>> the  sinful behaviors of those in the LGBT community, we will only 
>> see instances  like  this increase.
>> As schools and other institutions bend over backward to accommodate 
>> the  sinful behaviors of those in the LGBT community, we will only 
>> see instances  like  this increase. It's very sad that this young boy 
>> (yes, he's genetically  and  physiologically a male), who believes he 
>> is a girl, is being encouraged to  forsake his God-given gender and 
>> embrace a sinful lifestyle that he  doesn't  fully understand. And 
>> it's equally sad that other children-very young  children-are  being 
>> indoctrinated in the secular transgender ideology.
>> But this kind of confusion is exactly what we expect from a culture 
>> that  has  abandoned the absolute authority of God's Word. Without an 
>> ultimate  standard  for what is right and wrong, "anything goes," 
>> just as it did in the days  of  the Old Testament judges when 
>> everyone did what was right in their own  eyes  Judges 21:25).
>> As Christians, we can reach out to a confused world with solid, 
>> biblical  answers. There are only two sexes-male and female. Because 
>> we are created  uniquely  by God, we don't have the authority to 
>> redefine sex and gender. We don't  own  ourselves; God owns us. Yes, 
>> because of sin and the Curse (  Genesis 3),  there are going to be 
>> cases where physical bodies are affected by sin, and  parents and 
>> doctors need to make informed decisions. And, yes, again  because  of 
>> sin and the Curse, there are going to be those who struggle with 
>> gender  dysphoria, even possibly from a very young age. But the 
>> answer is not to  encourage  people to reject God's design and 
>> embrace a sinful lifestyle, particularly  children. It's to point 
>> people toward the hope and freedom that can be  found only in Jesus 
>> Christ and what he did for us on the Cross.
>> And that's the
>> message this world desperately needs to hear.
>> Thanks for stopping by and thanks for  praying,  Ken 
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