[Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
Marianne Haas
advocate at earthlink.net
Thu Dec 5 18:20:58 UTC 2019
Good Morning,
I also welcome the wonderful New Lister. Is it possible to remove
disruptive Listers from the list? You know whom I am referring to?
Marianne
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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
Sina, has failed and he is in hell
Welcome to the list, Rilind.
I understand how difficult it must be to pursue a faith different from that
of your family, especially when the cost of leaving that faith is so high.
I
will pray for you and your situation.
The question never has been how good we are or can be, but how good God is.
I'm very glad you said that. We can never be good enough, no matter what we
do. The Bible is full of people who made mistakes and didn't measure up.
They are real examples to show us that God can use anyone for His purposes,
you don't have to be good enough. If you give yourself to God and let Him
direct your path, He will refine you and use you for His purposes, and your
life will be something you could have never imagined or dreamed of. Moses
was a murderer. David was an adulterer. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tried to
pass their wives off as their sisters. They were deceitful, but so was
Laban. Every one of us has fallen short of the glory of God, but He knows
that because He knows what we are made of and He knows how to redeem us from
certain death.
Christian denominations have variations in what they believe, but in order
to
be Christian they must agree on certain basic truths. I'm sure other faiths
have points on which they must agree in order to be members of that
particular faith.
After having studied comparative religions for some years, it was pointed
out
to me one day in a sermon that Christianity is the only faith that is not
manmade. Every other faith strives unsuccessfully to reach God or
perfection
or acceptability in its own way. Jesus is the bridge that was built from
god
to man, so that we would have a sure way to reach Him. He reached down to
us
because we couldn't reach up to Him. We couldn't and can't do anything to
save ourselves. We aren't holy enough or righteous enough and we never will
be. We needed someone holy and righteous enough to pay the debt we could
not
pay. Jesus is not an afterthought or a plan B. There is no plan B. That
is
where my search for truth ended, and that is where it remains to this day.
I hesitate to say all this only because I don't want someone to think that I
am putting their faith down, or that I think I am superior to them. I know
I
am not. I am just explaining what I believe. Everyone probably has asked
at
some point in their life who am I, where am I going, what is the meaning of
life, what is expected of me while I'm here on this journey, and what
happens, if anything, after I die. Where you seek your answers has a lot to
do with what you will find. How you decide what is true is an interesting
process. You have to decide where you will draw your lines, and what you
will do if someone challenges or crosses your lines. You have to decide how
you will discern truth from lies, and what you will do if what you thought
was truth really isn't. The Bible is full of discussions about that. Are
there rules to follow while we are here? Who makes the rules? What happens
if someone breaks the rules? Who is subject to the rules? When do the
rules
apply to me? Do we all get to make up our own rules as our whims permit?
How we answer some of these universal questions is determined to a large
extent by whom we listen to and decide to follow. A great many decisions
will be made before a person reaches that point. Are we active or passive
followers, or do we just go whichever way the wind blows at the moment? Do
we really believe in anything, or are we just trying the flavor of the month
for the moment? Does any of this really matter? What difference does it
make? Well, friend, it makes a big difference.
Peace and blessings to you all.
Back to lurk mode.
Joy
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Dragoshi
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Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
Sina, has failed and he is in hell
Hello everyone.
My name is Rilind.
I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this
issue
as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in this
topic
here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this is life that
we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent. For personal
reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list moderator and
to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend mMustafa, that you
might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say someone made this
story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to explain not how good I
am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is. Also, from a list
standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has relevance to blindness
and
faith at all. However, I also want to say that I have been subscribed for a
long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever want to share my testimony
here, but then decided that I will. I am 100% blind, and some of the
chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind I thought it is okay
to
share here.
I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic but,
I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian
English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013
accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.
About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre
work
as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as well
as travel.
My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being
able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who
don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.
Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true
then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in
being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have
verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering
the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of
Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is
about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of God,
and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who conquer
and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of
judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall
be
saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every tongue
confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that
Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now
that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we
aren't saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that
specific things will be the fruit of that faith.
Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people
here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love of
the truth.
It's a long story so please bare with me.
My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try to
explain.
It is a long story.
So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.
I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my
grandfather
about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after, the Quran.
>From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot, and read
the
Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I wasn't able to
visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want me to be
involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.
When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry
program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go
on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that
we'd
be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't required
or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald Weinland and
other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to help out
even
though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were getting closer to
the
end of the month and when it was time for Communion week coming by, I
realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I thought okay, if I
don't
go it will be random I don't want to just all of a sudden say I'm busy just
on that one week when there's communion but, if I go I thought then I would
feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel disrespectful if I'm there and
not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a message to my professor that
did the ministry program and told him about my situation. I explained to him
I definitely always enjoy coming and all the activities but that I wasn't
sure if I should come since I'm not able to take communion given A that I
didn't feel it was right since not baptized and B where I was also more
Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I wanted to come but thought I
shouldn't since I didn't want to be disrespectful. He said I could come and
that it's completely okay since people don't expect people to take communion
if they don't.
So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was
there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30
until
we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But, the
professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so. He then
played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was from
John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the
sacrifice
of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a crime was
committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was believed. As
a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never with whether
God
would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he wouldn't need to.
However, I realised after that that there is a God who both is just and
merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't without the penalty
being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.
At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.
Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than
practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time though
I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will
be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the
punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran
explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there was
very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in
the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds
went
to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone accepts
something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and that in
the
next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant Hell, but, I
didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma I had. At
the
time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as well as to also
make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be both a Christian
and
a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went on Google of all
places
to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim. I found many pages, and
of course, most pages were about how you can't. I didn't want that though
sso
I kept looking. Later I found a website called messianicmuslims.com that's
not even there anymore for some reason, but, in it talks about essentially a
number of things about how I could do that.
It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were
corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran when
it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.
It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the
Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I
could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian
Muslim.
I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house
church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting
everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said he
was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a
great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,
prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.
I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church
meetings often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,
many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,
etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need
to
have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being a
good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper
when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere
for prayer.
Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016
where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the leading
influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me to
specifically be Christian.
That's my story.
God bless:
Rilind.
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(Mustafa Almahdy)
2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell
(David Moore)
3. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
(BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)
4. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200
From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
he is in hell
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Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
Bukhari became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much
> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according
> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
read
> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
that
> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
well.
> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>
> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>
> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
go
> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
own
> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that
> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the
> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common
> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it
> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
making
> our faiths look respectable.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>> gorgeous women.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>> But
>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>> such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>> Sina.,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500
From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
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religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
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Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!
Did Mohamad rise from the dead?
Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!
Nobody can come to the Father except by me!
Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven
given to men, by which they must be saved!
I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!
Jesus is not a religion!
He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!
What about the verse that says,
?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!
If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter
Heaven?
Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we
call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus
as
God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!
After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading
us
anymore!
We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing
it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and
be
separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him, and
he paid the full debt for us all!
That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!
Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you
are reading the living words of God!
God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!
I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God
himself are just a guide for our life!
I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we
will hear in this life!
Take care, all!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM
To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;
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Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
inhell
Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
Bukhari became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
much
> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life according
> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
read
> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
that
> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
well.
> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>
> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>
> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
go
> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
own
> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem that
> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as the
> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the common
> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have it
> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
making
> our faiths look respectable.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>> gorgeous women.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>> But
>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>> such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>> Sina.,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700
From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>
To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
he is in hell
Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>
Mustafa,
I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
We are not the Western media. We are a group of blind people here to
discuss
how blindness affects our lives as religious participants. Sometimes the
discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
one
another or to put one another down. Many of us on this list are Christians,
but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion. We are not here to
spread hatred or vitriol. This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
someone else's beliefs. If you were truly interested in discussing religion
calmly and rationally, that might be one thing. We believe what we believe
and
you believe what you believe, and we will never agree. You believe that
what
you believe is correct, and so do we. So do adherents of every religion or
nonreligion. We can't all be right. Two opposing views cannot both be
true.
The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
Mohammed and everyone else. (John 8:58.) There is nothing to debate. I
would
rather go through my life and die believing what I believe. If I am wrong,
then I lose everything. If I am right, then I gain everything. I will
gladly
take the risk. What about you?
I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
just
like there are Moslems and Moslems. Some are strident and hateful, some are
not. We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live a
life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
fruits
of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.) These are
not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
life
of a connected branch. (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
life-giving vine, I can do nothing. I do not have the right to be
judgmental,
but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.) What I
see
is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident. That is something you
and
Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
That
is not an excuse, it is a fact.
Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
us
for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
victorious
over sin and death. He had to do it because no one else could. No one else
is
pure enough, only God. No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
Mohammed.
Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life. Jesus did. He said He
would, and that is why He came. The tomb was sealed and guarded to prevent
His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did. Women
spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day. This is all
fact, not conjecture. He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
somebody stole the body. The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
still
there, wrapped up like a body was still in them. People saw Him, complete
with
the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. They wrote
down what they saw. God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom. (1
Corinthians 1:25.)
So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus? Either He is who
He
says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy. If you truly search the
Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
Joy
-----Original Message-----
From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
Almahdy
via Faith-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
in
hell
Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
justifying
faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
rudely
to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
being
brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so, it's
constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to
the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
when
he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
untutored
Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
and
explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
anything
useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
nation.
The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
enjoin
good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
reasons
for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
earth
which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
status of proper religious tenets.
Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
blank
check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
aspects.
Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
loyal
to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
So
for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari became the invincible
scholar
on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
Arabic
and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
extraordinary
chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah references
and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
it
and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
to
bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major
threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
denigration
instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
beat
> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>
> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and why.
>
> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme
> being and so on. We screwup.
> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>
> Ericka Nelson
>
>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>> afterward.
>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
anymore.
>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>> clearly.
>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>> political orientation?
>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>> But
>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
massively
>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually putting
>>>> him to death.
>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500
From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
he is in hell
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well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i
thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind
people have within church not beliefs as such. by looks of it you
sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in the
group within that contact list. Either Jesus says is who he says or
he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a
false God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put
people down.
On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Mustafa,
>
> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you
further.
>
> We are not the Western media. We are a group of blind people here to
> discuss
> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants. Sometimes the
> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
> one
> another or to put one another down. Many of us on this list are
Christians,
>
> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion. We are not here
to
>
> spread hatred or vitriol. This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
> someone else's beliefs. If you were truly interested in discussing
religion
>
> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing. We believe what we
believe
> and
> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree. You believe that
> what
> you believe is correct, and so do we. So do adherents of every religion
or
>
> nonreligion. We can't all be right. Two opposing views cannot both be
> true.
> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
> Mohammed and everyone else. (John 8:58.) There is nothing to debate. I
> would
> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe. If I am
wrong,
>
> then I lose everything. If I am right, then I gain everything. I will
> gladly
> take the risk. What about you?
>
> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
> just
> like there are Moslems and Moslems. Some are strident and hateful, some
are
>
> not. We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live
a
>
> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
> fruits
> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.) These
are
>
> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
> life
> of a connected branch. (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
> life-giving vine, I can do nothing. I do not have the right to be
> judgmental,
> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.) What
I
> see
> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident. That is something you
> and
> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>
> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
> That
> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>
> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
> us
> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
> victorious
> over sin and death. He had to do it because no one else could. No one
else
> is
> pure enough, only God. No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
> Mohammed.
> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life. Jesus did. He said
He
>
> would, and that is why He came. The tomb was sealed and guarded to
prevent
>
> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did. Women
> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day. This is
all
>
> fact, not conjecture. He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at
a
>
> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
> somebody stole the body. The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
> still
> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them. People saw Him, complete
> with
> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. They
wrote
>
> down what they saw. God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom. (1
> Corinthians 1:25.)
>
> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus? Either He is who
> He
> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy. If you truly search the
> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>
> Joy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
> Almahdy
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
> in
> hell
>
> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
> justifying
> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
> rudely
> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
> being
> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,
it's
>
> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
to
>
> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
> when
> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian Muslim
> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
> untutored
> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,
contribute
> and
> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
> anything
> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of
the
>
> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
> nation.
> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
> enjoin
> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
> reasons
> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
> earth
> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the
competent
>
> status of proper religious tenets.
> Adhereing certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
> blank
> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
> aspects.
> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
> loyal
> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
> So
> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari became the invincible
> scholar
> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
> Arabic
> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
> extraordinary
> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
references
>
> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we
see
> it
> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced
by
>
> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
> to
> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
major
>
> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
> denigration
> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>> beat
>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>> why.
>>
>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
supreme
>>
>> being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>> afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>> anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>> clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>>
>>> political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful. Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>> massively
>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
putting
>>>>>
>>>>> him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
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